RIP Envoy
#12
I've posted asking questions here before about Envoy, and other airlines as well as having attended their Aerocrew online job fairs since I was considering getting back into 121 in the late summer and fall. Decided to continue staying on the sidelines of aviation for now. Seems like every airline is understaffed, line holders getting minimum days off, blatant contract violations, low morale, management planning flights they know they don't have the crews to staff properly, etc. Nobody seems happy, and the problems that caused the days long operational meltdowns over the holidays seem to be headed for getting a lot worse before they get a better. Even those that are lucky enough to get a job at mainline AA are going to be stuck doing initial training sims at midnight because management can't competently run an airline, so they're being set up for failure right from the start.
#13
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
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Judging by the lack of activity here, I’d have to say interest in the ‘Voy is at an all time low. Almost, ALMOST, missing the KoolAid’s rhetoric.
Ironically, I think regional airlines are going to have to do something about flight attendant pay and conditions, possibly before pilots. Granted the qualifications for FAs are minimal, but finding some to stick it out past six months (again, more at the regional level) is starting to put a damper on things. Although, when AA had the cascading meltdown two months ago after the big wind event in DFW, it was the mainline FAs, not the pilots, that drove most of the cancellations.
Ironically, I think regional airlines are going to have to do something about flight attendant pay and conditions, possibly before pilots. Granted the qualifications for FAs are minimal, but finding some to stick it out past six months (again, more at the regional level) is starting to put a damper on things. Although, when AA had the cascading meltdown two months ago after the big wind event in DFW, it was the mainline FAs, not the pilots, that drove most of the cancellations.
#14
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Joined APC: Oct 2020
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Nah this place is a dumpster fire at this point. Not that any other regional is any better off right now, but anyone thinking they’re better off staying here for their retention bonus needs to reevaluate.
They’re gonna have some serious issues with all the senior FOs bailing after seeing their CAs getting abused every day.
They’re gonna have some serious issues with all the senior FOs bailing after seeing their CAs getting abused every day.
#15
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
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Nah this place is a dumpster fire at this point. Not that any other regional is any better off right now, but anyone thinking they’re better off staying here for their retention bonus needs to reevaluate.
They’re gonna have some serious issues with all the senior FOs bailing after seeing their CAs getting abused every day.
They’re gonna have some serious issues with all the senior FOs bailing after seeing their CAs getting abused every day.
#18
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No argument about being stretched too thin at the ‘Voy. but not adding any planes. There are still a few more 170s to get online but those are one for one swaps with 145s. As buddies stated, SKW is getting any new flying. Their management had the foresight to get dibs on the sim time at FSI that ENY thought they were being smart about giving up.
#19
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
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No argument about being stretched too thin at the ‘Voy. but not adding any planes. There are still a few more 170s to get online but those are one for one swaps with 145s. As buddies stated, SKW is getting any new flying. Their management had the foresight to get dibs on the sim time at FSI that ENY thought they were being smart about giving up.
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