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Cujo665 05-15-2022 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3422904)
So, QOL LOA has a nice little nugget about TDYs in the event of a base closure within the next 18 months. Tell me that isn’t in there for a reason! Envoy is preparing to be two domiciles again.

My money is still on MIA going away again, but who knows what back room drug deals are in the works from AAG with SKW and RPA.

you got it, and the precedent for base closures was my NY base closure LOA that they forever hated me for holding them hostage for too much. They completely failed to consider the alternative was to let everybody sit home paid (which they were prepared to violate and arbitrate). They’re like a snake oil salesman with new lube. Don’t buy.

Cujo665 05-15-2022 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3423310)
One wonders if the monumental incompetence of mgmt. would curb their ability to mess up our lives more with PBS though. They're not very effective at anything they do. I personally have a difficult time imagining our schedules getting any worse.

It's a little scary there's nothing about capping trips at 5 days with minimum 3 days off in between or something though. I am picturing 6 on 1 off forever.

worse, 18 on…..

tell the MEC to stop doing the bandaid LOA’s now. That time was from 2016 until now. Now the physical shortage is here. Before was just a pay shortage. Wait for the CBA and career progression changes coming at other regionals. This management team is about to get a big wake up call.

CFIsoonToBeFO 05-15-2022 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3423312)
worse, 18 on…..

tell the MEC to stop doing the bandaid LOA’s now. That time was from 2016 until now. Now the physical shortage is here. Before was just a pay shortage. Wait for the CBA and career progression changes coming at other regionals. This management team is about to get a big wake up call.

Y’all got any of those LOA’s for trip rigs coming soon?

Approach1260 05-16-2022 02:55 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3423310)
One wonders if the monumental incompetence of mgmt. would curb their ability to mess up our lives more with PBS though. They're not very effective at anything they do. I personally have a difficult time imagining our schedules getting any worse.

It's a little scary there's nothing about capping trips at 5 days with minimum 3 days off in between or something though. I am picturing 6 on 1 off forever.

It's funny that at PSA management is facing the same uphill struggle to implement PBS because no one trusts them to run it in a way that benefits the pilots, or even operate it competently.

Then they have the nerve to reiterate that any QOL improvements will be tied to PBS. In this environment none of us should be giving up anything. They should give us pay and qol benefits, and in exchange they get their attrition to slow down.

AlettaOcean 05-16-2022 03:07 AM

Delta is number one. They have a $1B operational advantage over United. Maybe SWA if they call, but if you’re anywhere else it’s a no-brainer.

rswitz 05-16-2022 05:30 AM

Out of those two, I would only consider Delta or AA.

Cujo665 05-16-2022 01:48 PM

Demand the right no vote.
threaten a DFR lawsuit for significant changes to the work rules or compensation.

Gordon Axel 05-16-2022 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by JonSnow (Post 3407832)
Hey fellas,
I need your input.
6 months to flow and got a CJO from Delta.
I live in Chicago, can relocate to one of the Delta bases in a couple of years, but I don’t really want to.
Accepted the retention bonus.
Should I stay or should I go?


Delta had a 16.6% profit sharing in 2020. If your making 2-300k that’s a nice fat check. I believe AA was a few %. Per diem is $.15 more and pay rates are slightly better at Delta. I feel like your gambling not taking the Delta job, but it might just all come down to staying in Chicago which could TRUMP any economic or seniority advantage with Delta. Good luck!

Gooch 05-19-2022 12:29 PM

Former DCL here, now at ABX (ACMI). Not a recruiter but fyi ~ In person pilot interview dates announced:
Homewood Suites-DFW
June 3-4 (Fri-Sat)
Hiring for class dates: 6/30, 8/2, 9/6 with more TBA
[email protected]
Text recruiter 937-469-4554

This place has its pro’s and con’s but definitely better than Envoy and growing. All 76 domestic and intl. Been here 9 months, if the economy goes to crap this isn’t a bad place to be with QOL, pay, schedules etc. reserve is about 5-6 months. Upgrades around 3 years. 1 base: CVG, mostly Amazon and DHL flying. PM with questions.

I’d like to get more eagle folks (RTP & Civ) over here. Fly safe.

FAIPMAFIA 05-28-2022 09:10 AM

CJOs at Delta, FedEx, UPS, SWA, JetBlue and United.

Class date with Delta in a few weeks.

Live 3 hours from Miami (central Florida).


6 months from flowing.

any inputs?



TIA,

TORO


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