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buddies8 05-14-2022 08:23 PM

Let's be honest. There is no way envoy mec will be able to get proper language to protect pilots regarding schedule PBS protections.
let's not forget all that soft money every pilotvwill lose.
This updated bonus plan is not worth it if PBS is in anyway attached or part to this agreement.

pitchattitude 05-14-2022 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3422888)
Let's be honest. There is no way envoy mec will be able to get proper language to protect pilots regarding schedule PBS protections.
let's not forget all that soft money every pilotvwill lose.
This updated bonus plan is not worth it if PBS is in anyway attached or part to this agreement.

The two are completely separate. There is an “Enhanced retention bonus” LOA and a “QOL improvement” LOA. The PBS is tied to the supposed QOL improvements.

That’s my point that the language should be worked out before agreeing to anything.

For the record, I’m not saying what should or shouldn’t be given or taken, just that the details should be locked in before deciding to accept it or not.

pitchattitude 05-14-2022 09:25 PM

Base closure TDY language
 
So, QOL LOA has a nice little nugget about TDYs in the event of a base closure within the next 18 months. Tell me that isn’t in there for a reason! Envoy is preparing to be two domiciles again.

My money is still on MIA going away again, but who knows what back room drug deals are in the works from AAG with SKW and RPA.

Otterbox 05-14-2022 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3422904)
So, QOL LOA has a nice little nugget about TDYs in the event of a base closure within the next 18 months. Tell me that isn’t in there for a reason! Envoy is preparing to be two domiciles again.

My money is still on MIA going away again, but who knows what back room drug deals are in the works from AAG with SKW and RPA.

Piedmont management has been planning on taking ORD 145 over from ENY since 2021… IF they can staff it.

Chato 05-15-2022 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3422888)
Let's be honest. There is no way envoy mec will be able to get proper language to protect pilots regarding schedule PBS protections.
let's not forget all that soft money every pilotvwill lose.
This updated bonus plan is not worth it if PBS is in anyway attached or part to this agreement.

This right here 100%. Been at envoy long enough to know better.

pitchattitude 05-15-2022 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3422910)
Piedmont management has been planning on taking ORD 145 over from ENY since 2021… IF they can staff it.

They can’t staff what they have. Nobody can.

ENH017 05-15-2022 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3422944)
They can’t staff what they have. Nobody can.

Maybe they can't staff it better than we can't staff it..

NoValueAviator 05-15-2022 04:43 PM

They're not going to sacrifice CLT to do ORD. CLT is a moneymaker and a perfect market for the 145 in many cases. I could see them repositioning from PHL but AAG is not known for bold strategy.

Cujo665 05-15-2022 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3422885)
This all begs the question of what happens if PBS is agreed to without knowing all the details? Sounds like the pilot group is potentially giving up a lot.

I think the details of the PBS need to be worked out before it is agreed to.

I would not give PBS to this company. Make a single pilot list with AA is the ONLY way I’d ever consider it. It’s that huge a oncession.
it “can” be good. But not with this management team. They can’t be trusted at all.

NoValueAviator 05-15-2022 04:48 PM

One wonders if the monumental incompetence of mgmt. would curb their ability to mess up our lives more with PBS though. They're not very effective at anything they do. I personally have a difficult time imagining our schedules getting any worse.

It's a little scary there's nothing about capping trips at 5 days with minimum 3 days off in between or something though. I am picturing 6 on 1 off forever.


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