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hero2zero 07-13-2022 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3459721)
Management is taking their time in negotiations

not "taking their time". flat out ignoring teamsters. blatantly

g1000pilot 07-13-2022 04:57 PM

Any idea if I will qualify for captain’s pay and 121 longevity match? I have a little over 2000 hours of 121 SIC from my time at 9L but it was 12 years ago. Either way I can’t wait to start class.

Grizzly Adams 07-14-2022 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by g1000pilot (Post 3460211)
Any idea if I will qualify for captain’s pay and 121 longevity match? I have a little over 2000 hours of 121 SIC from my time at 9L but it was 12 years ago. Either way I can’t wait to start class.

yes.

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DocMcFly 07-14-2022 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by g1000pilot (Post 3460211)
Any idea if I will qualify for captain’s pay and 121 longevity match? I have a little over 2000 hours of 121 SIC from my time at 9L but it was 12 years ago. Either way I can’t wait to start class.

Do you have a CJO? Class date already? If so when? When did you apply? How long did it take to hear back? Did you have to interview?

g1000pilot 07-14-2022 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by DocMcFly (Post 3460688)
Do you have a CJO? Class date already? If so when? When did you apply? How long did it take to hear back? Did you have to interview?

I do have a class date but I don’t want to jinx it so I won’t say when (not a crazy wait though). I applied middle of May and interviewed about three weeks later. Took about a month after that to secure a class date.

DocMcFly 07-14-2022 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by g1000pilot (Post 3460929)
I do have a class date but I don’t want to jinx it so I won’t say when (not a crazy wait though). I applied middle of May and interviewed about three weeks later. Took about a month after that to secure a class date.

PM sent

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Flyboy68 07-19-2022 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3448831)
Long call won’t be implemented until October schedule, but you can be certain it will go senior and depending on staffing will likely cause some pilots that are more senior to bid reserve instead of a line. Up side of that is someone senior enough to hold a line that bids reserve will free up a line for someone lower.

I’m not sure how long call will work at Envoy, but at Mesa, the long call reserves are the first ones they use on reserve. I bid it and got it a couple times during the Covid era thinking I could just stay home in Louisiana on reserve. Wrong! Every single time before my duty days started, I was assigned a trip usually a day or two before my reserve days started. It’s basically like having a line that you have no say so in. It’s not all that it’s made out to be, at least at Mesa, l

Whacker77 07-19-2022 11:06 AM

Haven't posted in years, but I was curious if there is a sim portion to the interview at Envoy?

pitchattitude 07-19-2022 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Whacker77 (Post 3463438)
Haven't posted in years, but I was curious if there is a sim portion to the interview at Envoy?

No actual sim, but if you have less than 100 hours in the previous year, there is usually an eval in a FTD, flight training device. Not sure what type they use. Usually like intercept a course, enter a hold and an approach and missed. Something like that. If no one else posts the actual profile, check on aviation interviews for the gouge.

pitchattitude 07-19-2022 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 3463386)
I’m not sure how long call will work at Envoy, but at Mesa, the long call reserves are the first ones they use on reserve. I bid it and got it a couple times during the Covid era thinking I could just stay home in Louisiana on reserve. Wrong! Every single time before my duty days started, I was assigned a trip usually a day or two before my reserve days started. It’s basically like having a line that you have no say so in. It’s not all that it’s made out to be, at least at Mesa, l

Envoy will undoubtedly make it as painful as they can as well. Wouldn’t want any QOL improvements to actually make your quality of life better!

The upside at Envoy is bottom of the list commuters will likely proffer for the overnights and anything juicy gets appropriated as OT. Envoy also can’t assign those trips earlier than the day prior anyway, after 1700 when people have had a chance to proffer.

Chato 07-19-2022 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3463472)
Envoy will undoubtedly make it as painful as they can as well. Wouldn’t want any QOL improvements to actually make your quality of life better!

Double edge sword my friend. Some might stay for the money, but if you can’t be home to enjoy the pay bump might as well bounce.

Flyboy68 07-19-2022 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3463472)
Envoy will undoubtedly make it as painful as they can as well. Wouldn’t want any QOL improvements to actually make your quality of life better!

The upside at Envoy is bottom of the list commuters will likely proffer for the overnights and anything juicy gets appropriated as OT. Envoy also can’t assign those trips earlier than the day prior anyway, after 1700 when people have had a chance to proffer.

Yeah, long call is pretty useless at Mesa unless you want to fly on your reserve days.

Hey, I heard you can’t refuse a junior assignment at Envoy. That’s about the only good thing we have at Mesa. We can refuse it with no punitive actions.

Flyboy68 07-19-2022 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3463474)
Double edge sword my friend. Some might stay for the money, but if you can’t be home to enjoy the pay bump might as well bounce.

Have y’all gone to a minimum 12 days off per month schedule yet? It says so on the recruitment website.

I know exactly what you’re talking about brother, we have 11 off at Mesa and I’m a commuter and I feel like I live in hotels, airports and airplanes and visit my wife and home a couple days a month. My wife says she feels like she lives alone. Sometimes makes me question why I do this job.

Seems like no one in this job, especially regionals, gets enough time off.

NoValueAviator 07-20-2022 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 3463481)
Have y’all gone to a minimum 12 days off per month schedule yet? It says so on the recruitment website.

I know exactly what you’re talking about brother, we have 11 off at Mesa and I’m a commuter and I feel like I live in hotels, airports and airplanes and visit my wife and home a couple days a month. My wife says she feels like she lives alone. Sometimes makes me question why I do this job.

No, we haven't. Your second paragraph is the most apt description of my lifestyle since I started here that I've ever read. I absolutely live at work and visit home.

FuturenaiveFO 07-22-2022 08:52 AM

PSA vs ENVOY
 
Good Afternoon everyone

I have CJO for both PSA and ENVOY same class dates, unsure what to choose...

Does someone have insight on the training timeline for both PSA and Envoy?

Thanks

highfarfast 07-22-2022 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by FuturenaiveFO (Post 3465059)
Good Afternoon everyone

I have CJO for both PSA and ENVOY same class dates, unsure what to choose...

Does someone have insight on the training timeline for both PSA and Envoy?

Thanks

Check the other thread for my advice.

Flyboy68 07-22-2022 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by FuturenaiveFO (Post 3465059)
Good Afternoon everyone

I have CJO for both PSA and ENVOY same class dates, unsure what to choose...

Does someone have insight on the training timeline for both PSA and Envoy?

Thanks

It all depends on where you live, or would want to move to. Choose the base where you live or closest easiest commute to whatever of those have bases.

ORD567 09-29-2022 02:32 AM

Could someone comment on how Envoy’s schedule tends to look these days? Is it mostly 4-day trips? Are there any 3-day and 5-day trips in the mix? I’m most interested in the DFW and MIA bases. Just looking to know how the schedule has changed, now that Envoy is increasing its minimum days off.

And how about reserve schedule?

Thanks!

NoValueAviator 09-29-2022 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by ORD567 (Post 3503426)
Could someone comment on how Envoy’s schedule tends to look these days? Is it mostly 4-day trips? Are there any 3-day and 5-day trips in the mix? I’m most interested in the DFW and MIA bases. Just looking to know how the schedule has changed, now that Envoy is increasing its minimum days off.

And how about reserve schedule?

Thanks!

4 on 2-3 off lineholder
5 on 2-3 off reserve
Pretty much all 4 days.

ORD567 09-29-2022 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3503498)
4 on 2-3 off lineholder
5 on 2-3 off reserve
Pretty much all 4 days.

Got it, thank you! But I imagine you don’t get used on all 5 days of reserve, right? Cuz trips are 4 days long and you’re guaranteed 12 days off per month?

BIueSideUp 09-30-2022 06:48 AM

Is there an option to turn down the bonus money without having to pay it back and then deal with recouping the taxes taken out from the IRS?

NoValueAviator 09-30-2022 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by ORD567 (Post 3503542)
Got it, thank you! But I imagine you don’t get used on all 5 days of reserve, right? Cuz trips are 4 days long and you’re guaranteed 12 days off per month?

you’ll get one overnight off some other guys 4 day to take you into day 5 if you’re a captain. Or you’ll sit unused all 5 days if you’re an FO.

ORD567 09-30-2022 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3504282)
you’ll get one overnight off some other guys 4 day to take you into day 5 if you’re a captain. Or you’ll sit unused all 5 days if you’re an FO.

Really?? You don’t fly much as an FO on reserve? I’d be coming in an FO

NoValueAviator 09-30-2022 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by ORD567 (Post 3504603)
Really?? You don’t fly much as an FO on reserve? I’d be coming in an FO

it changes all the time but right now the FOs arent flying much on reserve

SGS233 10-01-2022 09:04 AM

Any idea, please, how many hours junior reserve CA's are crediting most months?

RE: training pay... I seem to recall reading somewhere that it's 62 hours a month... but for a DEC, is that at the FO rate or one's "longevity" CA rate?

Many thanks.

Saafer 10-01-2022 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by SGS233 (Post 3504977)
Any idea, please, how many hours junior reserve CA's are crediting most months?

RE: training pay... I seem to recall reading somewhere that it's 62 hours a month... but for a DEC, is that at the FO rate or one's "longevity" CA rate?

Many thanks.

It's 64 hours a month at your "longevity" Captain rate.

BIueSideUp 10-02-2022 12:34 AM

Is there a deadline by which Envoy has to implement their long call reserve, trip/duty rig, 12 days off minimum? Or have some of these already gone into effect?

DoesntFlare 10-02-2022 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by BIueSideUp (Post 3505243)
Is there a deadline by which Envoy has to implement their long call reserve, trip/duty rig, 12 days off minimum? Or have some of these already gone into effect?

Yesterday, Next year, & yesterday

ORD567 10-02-2022 04:53 AM

Has anyone been very recently hired for Envoy as an FO? I’m getting ready to submit my application next month. But I keep on hearing that people get accepted, but never start their training? Or something like that

NoValueAviator 10-02-2022 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by ORD567 (Post 3505279)
Has anyone been very recently hired for Envoy as an FO? I’m getting ready to submit my application next month. But I keep on hearing that people get accepted, but never start their training? Or something like that

If you don't have significant prior 121 time towards captain upgrade, you're on the backburner right now and they'll get to you when they get to you, or they won't.

AerChungus 10-02-2022 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by ORD567 (Post 3505279)
Has anyone been very recently hired for Envoy as an FO? I’m getting ready to submit my application next month. But I keep on hearing that people get accepted, but never start their training? Or something like that

Yep. I got a CJO less than a week before they raised pay (so in May). Still no class date. I'm headed to Republic instead

buddies8 10-03-2022 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by AerChungus (Post 3505314)
Yep. I got a CJO less than a week before they raised pay (so in May). Still no class date. I'm headed to Republic instead

enjoy.........

SoFloFlyer 10-03-2022 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3505888)
enjoy.........

LOLzzzzz this is rich

BIueSideUp 10-04-2022 03:03 AM

What’s the policy on Canada flying for non-vaxxed pilots? Is it still just bid to avoid?

CFIsoonToBeFO 10-04-2022 03:04 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3505888)
enjoy.........

Did Republic actually give you a class date?

GoesTo11 10-04-2022 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by BIueSideUp (Post 3506263)
What’s the policy on Canada flying for non-vaxxed pilots? Is it still just bid to avoid?

Canada doesn't require being vaccinated any longer. https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid
"For all travellers entering Canada by air, land or marine mode on or after October 1, 2022:
  • Proof of COVID-19 vaccination is not required
  • COVID-19 pre-entry and arrival tests are not required
  • Quarantine after you enter Canada is not required"

AerChungus 10-04-2022 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3506264)
Did Republic actually give you a class date?

Yes, literally 5 months ago

NoValueAviator 10-04-2022 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by BIueSideUp (Post 3506263)
What’s the policy on Canada flying for non-vaxxed pilots? Is it still just bid to avoid?

Unfortunately in a surprise move Canada has abolished all their COVID-related travel bans.

Mike4Foxtrot 10-04-2022 06:40 PM

What is the captain's review board? My recruiter said I will be getting scheduled for it soon but that was a couple of weeks ago.

Chato 10-05-2022 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3505292)
If you don't have significant prior 121 time towards captain upgrade, you're on the backburner right now and they'll get to you when they get to you, or they won't.

Am I seeing this right, these guys with 121 time making lateral moves because of the new temporary pay. The way I look at it by the time they apply, interview go through training etc.. once they go on reserve they will be on reserve for a while (not really being able to take advantage of the rates and a subpar QOL) once they actually get a line by then these new rates will likely expire. Then what? Start over again at another regional that has actually made these changes permanent or leave for legacy, which is totally doable right now with a fairly clean record.:confused: am I missing something.


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