Captain Reserve?
Could someone in the know please tell me the most junior captain line holder's seniority (DOH) systemwide? Looks to me like they've put the current deal together right for the max benefit of all. Still, I've never met a DEC I really wanted to trade places with. How much misery should one expect (for how long)?
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Originally Posted by Burn it Down
(Post 3476136)
Could someone in the know please tell me the most junior captain line holder's seniority (DOH) systemwide? Looks to me like they've put the current deal together right for the max benefit of all. Still, I've never met a DEC I really wanted to trade places with. How much misery should one expect (for how long)?
Thanks in advance long story short, as a DEC you would be junior for about two years (until FOs hired with you start upgrading), but holding A line (vs a good line) is a function of having people below you. If you are the last DEC hired, life will suck. If you are on the front side of the wave, it'll be alright. life sucked the most for the DECs that had seniority to go from a junior airplane to a 175 for better trips etc, but that was also the airplane everyone senior was upgrading into (figure 4ish years of reserve including the pandemic effect) there were CRJ DECs holding a line within 3-4 months if not less, just based on how a bunch of them got put on it in a very tight time frame. The junior portion of that bunch, naturally, never saw a line. all that being said, the current "DEC spot" is a OCL - ORD 175 CA - so the results will be mixed. On one hand, there's about 320ish people that might want to take the spot at some point and be senior to you (ORD 175 FOs, 145 CAs and FOs), on the other - not all of them will. There's 60ish people hired a month, anyone's guess how many of them are DEC eligible - figure some of them will become the junior captains. All in all, expect 1.5-2 years of reserve. It will very likely be less than that, depending on where you are in the wave, but that's a good pessimistic number to keep in mind. |
Right now, how long it would it take for a DEC/new hire forced upgrade to hold MIA 175?
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Define dec/newhire forced upgrade
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 3476761)
Define dec/newhire forced upgrade
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So will PBS change any of the suck or is that just a marketing gimmick? I was interested in going to Envoy for the ord base. But with kids I’m worried about the schedule.
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Originally Posted by SJS Maverick
(Post 3476952)
So will PBS change any of the suck or is that just a marketing gimmick? I was interested in going to Envoy for the ord base. But with kids I’m worried about the schedule.
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Originally Posted by chihuahua
(Post 3476956)
PBS is a computer algorithm that will optimize the schedules for the benefit of the company. Obviously, it will have to be set to respect whatever parameters may be in the contract, but this is already done with regular lines as well. Some people will be better at bidding using PBS and putting in the right options the right way into their bid, so they'll come out ahead, while others who aren't as good at programming PBS will come out behind. Everyone who has used both line bidding and PBS seems to like line bidding better. Think about it, the company isn't spending money on PBS to create better schedules for pilots, that's supposed to be the union's job. The first month or two everyone is probably going to be p1ssed off.
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Originally Posted by But seriously
(Post 3476982)
Its not only (or even mostly), about who is better at bidding. PBS will still only give you what your seniority will hold. The biggest difference is likely to be a huge reduction in OT. PBS won’t allow conflicts, so the only OT around will be sick calls, or the occasional Mil leave that gets submitted after bidding closes. QOL has way more to do with the efficiency of the trips. PBS will mostly just be less money in everyone’s pockets.
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PBS sequences
PBS will not change the sequences at Envoy. There are some PBS systems that will build the sequences. Envoy is not going to use one of those. The sequences will be built by the same system currently building them. What MIGHT change some of them is the trip and duty rigs that are coming. Those rigs will either force them to improve the efficiency of trips, or at least still pay as if they are more efficient.
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