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pitchattitude 08-03-2023 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by friend (Post 3677148)
You must have done bad in the technical part of the interview. I heard the technical part is very intensive

I wouldn’t call it intensive. It’s fairly thorough, but easily studied for and all the gouge is out there.. All about Jepp plates and something you have to know if you are going to fly 121.

flykin 08-05-2023 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by arthurbaxter (Post 3676332)
Just curious, anybody knows what are they specifically looking for? I keep reapplying every 30 days like the automatic email says to. This is for a first officer position with R-ATP mins.

So I basically emailed them begging for an interview after the initial automated denial, and I got a recruiter to finally tell me what went wrong.

1) I didn't enter my passport information (it was highlighted as optional on AirlineApps, and I just brushed past it)
2) I had a gap of employment between my high school graduation and starting university (literally 3 months for summer vacation..) Also between graduating University and finding a CFI job.

One other thing, they won't take you unless you have ever last hour necessary for R-ATP (I got denied AGAIN because of 2.4 hours of cross country time lol).

Told me to call them when I have the hours to schedule my interview.

arthurbaxter 08-06-2023 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by flykin (Post 3678612)
So I basically emailed them begging for an interview after the initial automated denial, and I got a recruiter to finally tell me what went wrong.

1) I didn't enter my passport information (it was highlighted as optional on AirlineApps, and I just brushed past it)
2) I had a gap of employment between my high school graduation and starting university (literally 3 months for summer vacation..) Also between graduating University and finding a CFI job.

One other thing, they won't take you unless you have ever last hour necessary for R-ATP (I got denied AGAIN because of 2.4 hours of cross country time lol).

Told me to call them when I have the hours to schedule my interview.

interesting, do you have the contact info for a recruiter? or know where to get it? I might try that

rickair7777 08-06-2023 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by friend (Post 3677148)
You must have done bad in the technical part of the interview. I heard the technical part is very intensive

I've never had an intensive tech interview at a regional, even back in the day. Other than a sim check in a 707 when I was a CFI.

The knowledge is basic IFR and 121 stuff, that any line pilot should know, and the gouge is available. They used to ask technical questions about the airplane you're *currently* flying, but again that shouldn't be too hard either.

flykin 08-06-2023 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by arthurbaxter (Post 3678759)
interesting, do you have the contact info for a recruiter? or know where to get it? I might try that

I'll PM you some tips and tricks.

FlyJD 08-13-2023 03:00 PM

Greetings everyone.

Well my current situation is, a successful employee at ExpressJet Airlines for three years up until the company shut down as a result of Covid. Then one year at Republic Airways where I was successful during initial training with no failures. Well. . . . looks like I tripped extremely badly with the recurrent qualification validation a year later. I approached it with the wrong study habits of two months prior studying and made quite a bid of mistakes. I didn't complete the MV on time. But finished it the following day. Then failed the Knowledge Validation (KV). Retook it and passed the following day. Then was the LOE where we get two attempts. I failed both attempts from pretty bad mistakes and LOE was also an unsatisfactory. So incomplete MV (non PRIA event), and failed KV & LOE (both are in PRIA records) all in one recurrency event. And I was asked to resign after that. So . . . . oops! That was definitely the worst slip in my airline career I ever made and it's possible that my events may not be forgiven.

I just submitted my application to Envoy hoping for a continuation after learning from my huge mistake and know the much better routine of staying prepared. Envoy would be Awesome for me as the ERJ-170 is my recent experience. Despite being a high time FO and above qualification for Captain upgrade (over 2600 hours in Part 121 time), I think i'm the one that shall continue to face TBNT's now from just about all the carriers now. Certainly in bad shape after the wrong approach to studying and preparing for recurrency at Republic. All I can do is just wait and see what they say when they review my app. Fingers crossed!

dera 08-13-2023 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJD (Post 3682195)
Greetings everyone.

Well my current situation is, a successful employee at ExpressJet Airlines for three years up until the company shut down as a result of Covid. Then one year at Republic Airways where I was successful during initial training with no failures. Well. . . . looks like I tripped extremely badly with the recurrent qualification validation a year later. I approached it with the wrong study habits of two months prior studying and made quite a bid of mistakes. I didn't complete the MV on time. But finished it the following day. Then failed the Knowledge Validation (KV). Retook it and passed the following day. Then was the LOE where we get two attempts. I failed both attempts from pretty bad mistakes and LOE was also an unsatisfactory. So incomplete MV (non PRIA event), and failed KV & LOE (both are in PRIA records) all in one recurrency event. And I was asked to resign after that. So . . . . oops! That was definitely the worst slip in my airline career I ever made and it's possible that my events may not be forgiven.

I just submitted my application to Envoy hoping for a continuation after learning from my huge mistake and know the much better routine of staying prepared. Envoy would be Awesome for me as the ERJ-170 is my recent experience. Despite being a high time FO and above qualification for Captain upgrade (over 2600 hours in Part 121 time), I think i'm the one that shall continue to face TBNT's now from just about all the carriers now. Certainly in bad shape after the wrong approach to studying and preparing for recurrency at Republic. All I can do is just wait and see what they say when they review my app. Fingers crossed!

Over 3 failures and last 121 training event incompleted/failed, both alone would require a "special case" to be escalated to the captain review board at Envoy. You'll have a steep uphill battle to fight.

FlyJD 08-13-2023 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3682198)
Over 3 failures and last 121 training event incompleted/failed, both alone would require a "special case" to be escalated to the captain review board at Envoy. You'll have a steep uphill battle to fight.

Yup, I doubt i'll have a chance in this now or just about anywhere else 121, not even 135. :-(

dera 08-13-2023 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJD (Post 3682201)
Yup, I doubt i'll have a chance in this now or just about anywhere else 121, not even 135. :-(

You'll need a few years of positive training history at any certificated carrier. Don't forget places like Cape Air, Ameriflight, Planesense and so on.

CRJCapitan 08-13-2023 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJD (Post 3682201)
Yup, I doubt i'll have a chance in this now or just about anywhere else 121, not even 135. :-(

Keep your head up and cast a wide net for your next round of applications. Don’t just shoot for 121 or 135 and stay humble. Something will work out and you’ll have a chance for a career in aviation one way or another. Take advantage of whatever opportunity presents itself. It could all be a blessing in disguise if you have the right attitude.


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