ruby1

Hello!

A week ago I interviewed and received a FO position. I am not a cadet. I am wondering how far out ATP/CTP, orientation, and class dates are out? I am new to this process so any help would be great.

Call me Shirley

Hello,
If the timeline is the same as it was a few months ago you can expect:
-1-4 weeks to hear back from captain review board
-ATP-CTP scheduled when you're available (if the ground is over zoom the course takes 11 days)
-Orientation could take somewhere between weeks and months depending on the demand of DEC and Cadets
-Class date could be between the week after orientation or up to 6 weeks of (paid) waiting

I'd recommend holding onto whatever you're doing now until the last minute because numerous non-cadet FOs have been booted from classes with only a couple days of notice.

zflyingguy

I interviewed back in September and passed the captin review board. Envoy still hasn't given me a ATP/CTP or class date. I can't get any more information about when I might be scheduled. I'm starting to look at other options.

BigMac54

Does anyone know what the 2024 class dates are? I am currently waiting on a response on when I can be scheduled. EPR has not been extremely helpful in providing updates.

VicksCool

Had Orientation/Onboarding on 12/14.

Told us Basic Indoc dates for next to classes are 1/15/2024 and 01/29/2024

I got my letter on 12/20 to report to class on 01/15/2024 I am a DEC.

N711HK

Just interviewed on 2/14, and got the pre employment offer. The pilots there were claiming Envoy is doing 2 classes a month with 75+ a class. Any merit to this?

Ravenwing

Pilot recruiters have a tendency to over promise to get you in the door. I went through training last spring and my observation was that large Orientation classes were broken up into smaller training classes staggered over a longer period of time so that there are no delays between Systems and Sims and they don't have too many people to get through sims at any one time, especially since some people will get an extra sim or two. Usually Orientation was once a month, a new Indoc started every two weeks, and a Systems class started every week. Some people had a five week break somewhere prior to Systems, some even longer when they were retraining E145 pilots on the E175 last summer.

Last year they were starting 26 pilots a week in the sims. All sim training is done in Dallas at 5 different locations. 150 pilots a month is probably possible if they added more instructors and increased the utilization of the contracted sims. Expect 3 days off between sims and IOE.

liquefaction

Our orientation class (1/18/24) was I think 48 people. Indoc is then scheduled by seniority (cadets>DECS>FOs) and our orientation class was broken into 3 indoc classes about 2 weeks apart. We had 11 days between orientation and indoc, the next class would be 2 weeks after that - so on and so forth. It is entirely dependent on sim availability. If you're an off the street first officer, expect to wait a while for orientation. Some waited weeks, some months. There's no telling how long it will be.