Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1663841)

Only minor Envoy discussion this past week.

They still haven't talked openly if they have placed jets or not. This leads me to conclude they haven't, otherwise they'd be talking about the various ways that plays out.

There are only two reasons to not announce that they've placed the jets elsewhere. I'm sure many have already theorized this.

One is to stave off massive attrition; the second is they haven't been able to place them at the costs they want.

If they did place them, they won't announce it until they have to. They don't want massive attrition. The one thing they did discuss, was Envoy attrition. They told their underlings to fix it.

Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 1663929)

The attrition will not stop, even if they do all of that outlined above. They need to worry about getting people in the damn door. Without anyone coming in on the bottom, they are completely screwed.

Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1663841)

Only minor Envoy discussion this past week.

They still haven't talked openly if they have placed jets or not. This leads me to conclude they haven't, otherwise they'd be talking about the various ways that plays out.

There are only two reasons to not announce that they've placed the jets elsewhere. I'm sure many have already theorized this.

One is to stave off massive attrition; the second is they haven't been able to place them at the costs they want.

If they did place them, they won't announce it until they have to. They don't want massive attrition. The one thing they did discuss, was Envoy attrition. They told their underlings to fix it.

Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 1663938)

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I can see a THIRD reason for not announcing where the 175s are going; Maybe they wanna give the Envoy pilot group a little more time to worry about their jobs and soften up before coming back to the table with a third contract offer.

Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 1663938)

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I can see a THIRD reason for not announcing where the 175s are going; Maybe they wanna give the Envoy pilot group a little more time to worry about their jobs and soften up before coming back to the table with a third contract offer.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1663928)

Parker: "hey pedro, fix your attrition"
Pedro: "How sir? there's nothing we can offer"
Parker: "Figure it out, see ya!"

Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1663963)

The point is if you haven't heard soon, or if they haven't started negotiating soon; then they DID place the planes, and are avoiding telling you all so you don't all leave.

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1663970)

So if we haven't heard anything soon, the plan A you spoke of is no longer the plan and we've moved on to something different?

Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1663992)

Plan A was/is a long term plan. They deal in big picture stuff. The specific details aren't as important to them (meaning they won't spend a great deal of time on it, they'll make a decision and move on).

Example; they place the planes with PDT and PSA, and later consolidate.

For them, the end result is still the same. Planes at Envoy.