The pilot group at Envoy made an educated gamble that no other airline could staff the aircraft they were offering us. They've placed aircraft elsewhere, now it's time to see if we were right. It could be that we were wrong and the pilots at Envoy come out the worse for this, it's possible this plan blows up in AA's face. There is nothing that can be done now but watch.

The problem was that AMR had ALREADY pulled 40 something million dollars in concessions during the reorganization, er...bankruptcy (Uh, they were bankrupt. Yea, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too) just a few months earlier, and promised that Eagle would receive 175's in return. Fast forward a few months and the new management - AAG - told the pilots, yea, that was then, this is now. Things have changed. We need MORE concessions from you in order to promise (there's that word again) we'll give you the 175's.

The pilots said, what? No, we gave you concessions for the 175's just a few months ago, now you want MORE concessions? Sorry, not happening.

How many times is a pilot group supposed to keep giving back work rules, pay, and benefits, in order to secure more flying, especially when the the parent company is reporting RECORD income?

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Don't you guys get it yet???? Mason32 is a complete fraud tool!!! He is an AHOLE! He is no more a prophet than if I told you crap tasted like apple pie!!

If by fraud you mean he has been 100% accurate every time....then yes. He is a fraud.

Eagle pilots did not vote down airplanes; we voted down additional concessions. We already have pay rates for the E-175 published in our current contract; there is no need for further concessions.

Just because AAG has placed a relative few aircraft here and there does not mean they will successfully be able to replace ALL or even a major part of your operation. AE, er Envoy is simply too large. It seems to be wishful, naive thinking on their part if they think it's possible.

My personal opinion is that they have created such a negative, hostile, work environment at the airline, that they may have unwittingly started an unstoppable implosion of the airline through attrition that is unstoppable. I personally think they were trying to play serious hardball, and the situation got away from them. I think they MAY realize that in this environment, they will never be able to replace all, or even a major portion of, the flying that will be lost at Envoy at their own hand.

I think you're correct, I'm very curious to see what attrition looks like for the next few months after this announcement.

As the company enters its shrinking phase and loses pilots from the bottom up, it drives the average cost of labor higher and higher.

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He guys and gals AAG made the right gamble ...CZ WILL staff these a/c

Define better..