It will be mainline doing the hiring. You start at Envoy, then flow to AA. The pilot hiring and selection will be done by AA HR. You get your AA number once at AA, but your place on the Envoy list determines when you flow.

Later when Envoy is consolidated completely, you'll still be getting hired by AA HR and you'll be flying a E175 E190 painted AA instead of Eagle... except now you'll have an AA number on day one.

It's all slowly coming back in house over the next several years.

When you say consolidated you mean stapled at bottom and no years of service for pay correct?

who knows how that plays out. I would guess that it will be done in such a way that it will resemble a staple.

12/4 allows them a better chance at limiting compensation to more manageable levels at the regional should the flow-thru mechanism stop for unseen circumstances (just like the past). You get a whole new group of 12+ year captains making less every year thereafter once inflation and health care are factored in, not to mention a contingent of 5,6 or 7 year F/O's scraping by at 4th year pay. Flows are great when they work as advertised, but no replacement for when they don't. So far, the flows at AA have ranged from marginal (the present 824) to a miserable failure (Letter 3).

And in the end, management gets their mainline b scale.

Yes, that's better. ;)

So as a 6 year FO at Eagle now, I don't want to spend 4 or 5 more years at this place waiting to hopefully flow. I'd give 3.5 more years here tops, anything more and I'm looking at other options.

Do you think I have a shot at flowing over within that time frame?

Well, the only way for that to work NOW, is for this "B-scale" to apply only to E-175 (76-seat) type aircraft which ALREADY are a B-scale. This would not apply to the E-190 as that is an AA group 1 pay scale. Now, who knows what negotiations would do in the future, but there are only 20 E-190's on the U side in the New AA and that's not a long-term sustainable fleet. Either they have to add more and likely then MAYBE that could be incorporated into a new E-jet paradigm provided something of acceptable substance was obtained for it, or the E-190 will be phased out with the 126-seat A319 the smallest mainline aircraft and the E-175 stays or perhaps a little sugar for Parker (if he gives us some candy back) and he can bump that to 79-seats for the new generation of improved performance E-175's ?

That would make the "gap" 47 seats which is probably a good gap, especially if it keeps the pilots and contracts separate.

It very well could be what happens next determines whether the regional B scale continues to exist or not. A pilots actions today could very well determine what the future looks like for someone who today is still in diapers.

Regional Airline pilots are all so worried about flows, pay, shiny jets and who gets to play airline pilot with them. It's the wrong battle, completely.

The real battle is doing everything in your power to end this entire way of existing as a B scale pilot. It's time to bring these airplanes and their flying home where it belongs.

Do you have to consider flows, pay, and shiny jets in the present? I suppose so, but pick the right battle.

I just checked my crystal ball and it shows your flow at 3.6 years (2 weeks after you quit for that millwork manager's position at Home Depot).

Ain't life a ***** ? :rolleyes: