I know! Refer to my earlier post... The company must feel a need to intimidate and threaten.... Usually to get what they want at the bargaining table which leads me to believe they aren't done with us.

That fat old prick can suck it.

What do they expect us to do? Stay here at this craphole airline while they shrink us, outsource us and threaten to shut us down? Should we just wait around until we all get displaced, downgraded, furloughed and our lives are completely wrecked so we can make that double chinned douche happy? All just so they can maintain staffing until they shut us down..

F this company. I have zero desire to work for Eagle/AA or flow anymore. I just want out of this joke of a company.

All these retards are doing is giving us more reason to not care, waste fuel, write everything up, and update our applications on a daily basis.

They will never get it.

AAG accused our MEC of being out of touch with the pilot group and force the AIP TA to pilot vote. We proved overwhelmingly that we fully support our MEC. What do they actually think 3,000 pilots who obviously give so much support to their MEC when these individuals are attacked?


My answer to your question is an overwhelming YES.

I guarantee you this will not work out well for the AA pilots. They pushed this because of hate for AMR management and I totally get that, but DUI Doug is a far worse devil than any of the previous AA managers. Will the company succeed? Perhaps, but the labor will suffer regardless.

I guess I'm confused. Is the flow thru not good enough for you guys?

No, I'd rather not wait 8+ years for my safety net to kick in. Nothing is ever good enough in life, you should always be striving for better.

You don't get it. We had a negotiated flow through for years. It hasn't worked out for us because the company does whatever the hell they want. People that were supposed to flow a long time ago didn't. People finally flowing again now but its restricted by BS staffing limitations "metered". So more off the street people are getting ahead of them.

We want actual seniority numbers so when they hold us back due to whatever BS reason for the day..(usually staffing) When/if we actually do go, we hold our rightful place in line and don't get shafted. Again.

This flow through deal for us has been a 2 way street. We aren't the same as PSA and Piedmont in that regard. We paid the price for this flow. We had hundreds of AA pilots flow down and take our CA positions, stagnating and downgrading our guys. Harming our career progression.. Causing us to have 10 yr+ FO's etc.. There is a lot more to the story than the outsiders see.. And its really complicated to try and explain all the factors.

It depends on where you are on the list. The pilots flowing to AA now have been waiting for 15-16 years to flow.

Someone hired 7-8 years ago will have to wait probably 5-6 years from now to flow.

Someone hired now will have their chance to go in 8-12 years.

This all assumes AA hires continuously without interruption from now until their turn comes.

In the meantime, once you meet the competitive minimums to go elsewhere, you will probably get to a LCC/mainline carrier other than AA faster than by waiting for the flowthru to AA. And while you are waiting for AA to call, all of your peers are getting hired and getting their seniority sooner.

Actually a lot of Eagle pilots (especially FOs) are short-cutting the flow through by getting hired at US Airways now, and will be senior to the Eagle Captains they used to be junior to when those captains flow to AA during the coming year - and when the whole SLI gets hashed out.

I do know of a specific case of an Eagle FO 2006 hire, who left for Spirit in 2013, and was hired at AA in one of the first AA new-hire classes this year and is now senior to the Eagle Captains he flew with who have been at Eagle since the 1990s.

Airways isn't hiring any F/O's now. There was a time in 2011-2012 early 2013 they might have been but now that the 190 upgrade has dropped there is a PIC requirement. But that doesn't matter.

My response to those Eagle captains if they could've applied to Airways as well. They chose to not do so. No empathy at all for them.

I started at the commuters in 2005 and I'm senior to all those Captains too who are still waiting to flow. What is your point? They could've applied back in the 90's when Airways was hiring more than they are now, or 2006-2007-2008 when they were also hiring, or 2010 when they started hiring as well. Those Eagle guys had multiple chances to not only leave for Airways but also Delta and United, and a slew of other major carriers that those F/O's did not have a chance to apply at because we were in high school...

You guys negotiated the flow and however you came up with the % that is what was agreed upon and now you are pitching a fit? Entitled much?

The flow didn't work out because AA didn't hire anyone.

I can definitely see the case being made for a seniority # issued when you were supposed to flow. In fact IIRC there was an award of just that for Eagle guys and I feel that is 100% justified. I haven't seen any concrete #'s on your side but on the AA side I'm hearing half the classes are filled with Eagle flows.