Man, I hope.

Of course it is, something has to stop the pilot bleeding and its far to easy to string you guys along because you are suffering from SJS. Think about it logically and you'll see its just not possible.

• There isn't 1000 pilots available in the training pipeline for Envoy to bring on board
• The only hope is to poach them from other airlines, but there isn't anything to offer them. You could get lucky and have Silver or GLA fold, but even then they are not coming to Envoy, why would they?
• Things are going to get far, far worse before they get better
• Even if you took all 60 of the new airplanes, its just refleeting, no expansion
• Deliveries of the first 20 don't start until 2015. Deliveries of the remaining would be looking at 2016-2017. 3 more years as a capped FO on year 4 pay? That's what they want.

for any of you even thinking about voting yes on PBS here are a few things to consider
trip trading as you know it is gone. No more senior guys trips dropping into open time for everyone to have a shot at, it'll just go to the very next guy below him. By the time the system gets to the bottom the only trips left will all be 515am sign ins and 2100 finish. And the only trips left in OT are the trips you told PBS you didn't want.

Now, the senior guys have to share the pain. a line might have 3 or 4 great trips but 1 crappy 1. with PBS they get nothing but the good stuff. you want xmas off but its on wednesday, now some junior guys get to see a weekend, same with other holidays.

whats a 5% pay cut really mean. all you need is 2 conflicts per year month to month and 1 training event and your back even.

for you senior FO's, just remember you will be a junior captain before long so you have to look at it from the bottom end of the list rather than the top. Also upgrading just 1 month earlier covers a lot of months of 5% less at FO pay PBS reduces the # of CA so upgrades are now farther away.

you DTS your vacation now you are at 17 or more days off in a row. the new system will only guarantee you 13. not enough time for trips to the pacific side of the world they provide no protection if you are junior that a trip wont finish at 10pm before and 6am after you vacation week effectively making it only 11 days for vacay!!!

there are no trip or duty rigs built in to PBS system. everyone remember the 13 hr 4 day trips or 9 hr 3 day trips. its nice the company decided not to build those during the PBS test months isn't it? will they still put the same effort into it after its live?

a lot of guys don't like the unknown of what the system will do when it goes into denial mode. The way it is now, you know what your getting if you bid that line.

The company has also spent a lot of money on buying the software, training pilots and running the IT side of things. Who believes they are just gonna walk away and give up because we say no.

as far as us being comairII look at the size and lease terms they just signed on a giant new headquarters north of DFW(big enough to house Eagle,PSA, Piedmont, and more) with sim space. we have a lot of long term leases on maint hangers and a lot of spare parts that no one is going to pay any kind of decent money for.

We just have to wait them out. the first one to fold is gonna loose everything.

Mason is that you?

I want to do a Mesa Skype interview.....

With NO pants on and drinking a big mug of coffee. And for no reason whatsoever I will mount a random goat head on the wall behind me for the duration of the video chat.

Betcha I get a class date..

That's a direct entry captain quality applicant.

I think I need to get on steroids first before reaching such lofty heights....

I don't get all the hate on other places...people make decisions for what works for them...no reason to sh*t on them for that

Pics or it didn't happen.

Well, I don't get you.