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Swedish Blender 07-22-2014 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1689097)
I am going insane wondering if 175's will every show up on property at dfw and i havnt even started my career yet!

Why? It's still just an airplane. What you fly, at any company, should be your least concern compared to everything else

ClarenceOver 07-22-2014 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 1689158)
Why? It's still just an airplane. What you fly, at any company, should be your least concern compared to everything else

Personal preference. I dont want to go through ground school 5 times and collect 5 type ratings. There is a shift to the 175 by republic mesa and skywest. Republic ordered more i know they already have those airframes. That and not commuting are my biggest concerns.

snippercr 07-22-2014 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1689161)
Personal preference. I dont want to go through ground school 5 times and collect 5 type ratings. There is a shift to the 175 by republic mesa and skywest. Republic ordered more i know they already have those airframes. That and not commuting are my biggest concerns.

Are you planning on hopping between regionals? Or do you just care about flying a 175? That is NOT a troll question - it is an honest question. I used to think that SJS was just a myth - but I have talked with many former students and flight instructors and they say they just want to go to a carrier that flies 175s - regardless of work rules and pay. I know a 3rd year FO, girlfriend out of college and he STILL lives in his parents basement but doesnt care "The 175 is a sweet airplanes." Again - not a troll question, a legitimate one. If you answered yes to wanting to fly a 175 ask yourself "Why do I care about which airplane I fly?"

So you say you dont want to go through ground training 5 times - first of all, you are going to go through ground training MANY times in your career - what is a few extra? What makes you think you will HAVE to go through 5 times? If you get hired at a non-175 carrier now who eventually will get 175s (current paradigm shift), you will get trained on your initial equipment then possibly the 175. Thats twice. Not 5 times.

I am happy to see not commuting is a primary issue for you, as well it should be. I question the importance of avoiding ground school as the same as not commuting.

ClarenceOver 07-22-2014 06:53 AM

I think there is a shift into the 175 as the new regional airframe. I don't want to start on a crj200 if its going be based in kingman. I know they aren't going away tomorrow but if the airframes that are being flown on the regional level are 175's then that is what i am interested in. As far as hopping between regionals i am not sure if i will have a choice on that one. The worst one today could be the best one tomorrow. If i had a choice i would go to compass as i think they will be around for a while especially with the flowthrough to delta. But at the same time if i have no choice but to bounce between regionals if i end up being furlough fodder i suppose thats the price im willing to pay for wanting to become an airline pilot. As far s the work rules go that is going to take some research. I want the 175 because i want to be on one airframe for my entire career. I believe sjs is based on pilots that think the airplane would be cool to fly or because it has engines under the wings? I dont quite understand that mindset. I am not referring to going through proficiency checks. I am referring to going through initial as little as possible. If that is something i cant avoid then i will take other airframes into serious consideriation. If it is something i can avoid i am sticking with the 175. As far as commuting goes. I am young and single with no responsibilities so when they ask if can live in beautiful downtown detroit the answer is yes. Thats why i dont understand someone who says oh look i have options to commute but i am young and single and can live anywhere. Or maybe they think they cant because of friends in their home town. i dont get it.

TallFlyer 07-22-2014 06:59 AM

Having been through two initials in the last twelve months they're not exactly rocket surgery. In both instances so long as you were willing to put in the work to study you're going to pass.

Regarding the 175 vs the CRJ, it's true, the 200s (and 145s) will be undergoing a long draw down over the next couple of years. The 700/900 will be with us for a while though. And Bombardier still has an order backlog for them, although certainly not as long as the backlog for the 175.

I can kinda see where you're coming from, but others are accurate in saying that there are others things that should be way more important in your decision making.

pagey 07-22-2014 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1689169)
I think there is a shift into the 175 as the new regional airframe. I don't want to start on a crj200 if its going be based in kingman. I know they aren't going away tomorrow but if the airframes that are being flown on the regional level are 175's then that is what i am interested in. As far as hopping between regionals i am not sure if i will have a choice on that one. The worst one today could be the best one tomorrow. If i had a choice i would go to compass as i think they will be around for a while especially with the flowthrough to delta. But at the same time if i have no choice but to bounce between regionals if i end up being furlough fodder i suppose thats the price im willing to pay for wanting to become an airline pilot. As far s the work rules go that is going to take some research. I want the 175 because i want to be on one airframe for my entire career. I believe sjs is based on pilots that think the airplane would be cool to fly or because it has engines under the wings? I dont quite understand that mindset. I am not referring to going through proficiency checks. I am referring to going through initial as little as possible. If that is something i cant avoid then i will take other airframes into serious consideriation. If it is something i can avoid i am sticking with the 175. As far as commuting goes. I am young and single with no responsibilities so when they ask if can live in beautiful downtown detroit the answer is yes. Thats why i dont understand someone who says oh look i have options to commute but i am young and single and can live anywhere. Or maybe they think they cant because of friends in their home town. i dont get it.

Get some seniority....Holding out for a 175 because of a possible extra training cycle is not a smart move. I'm not sure where you got the idea that training is terrible anyway. Sure your very first 121 indoc/ etc. may be stressful but if you've been flying the line for a year and go in to learn a new airplane it would be a totally different experience.

This is especially true if you are willing to move around a bit at the beginning of your career.

There is no problem with having a preference but to not start your seniority clock because you'd be on a CRJ instead of a 175 is setting yourself backwards before you even start.

Good luck.

snippercr 07-22-2014 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1689169)
I think there is a shift into the 175 as the new regional airframe. I don't want to start on a crj200 if its going be based in kingman. I know they aren't going away tomorrow but if the airframes that are being flown on the regional level are 175's then that is what i am interested in. As far as hopping between regionals i am not sure if i will have a choice on that one. The worst one today could be the best one tomorrow. If i had a choice i would go to compass as i think they will be around for a while especially with the flowthrough to delta. But at the same time if i have no choice but to bounce between regionals if i end up being furlough fodder i suppose thats the price im willing to pay for wanting to become an airline pilot. As far s the work rules go that is going to take some research. I want the 175 because i want to be on one airframe for my entire career. I believe sjs is based on pilots that think the airplane would be cool to fly or because it has engines under the wings? I dont quite understand that mindset. I am not referring to going through proficiency checks. I am referring to going through initial as little as possible. If that is something i cant avoid then i will take other airframes into serious consideriation. If it is something i can avoid i am sticking with the 175. As far as commuting goes. I am young and single with no responsibilities so when they ask if can live in beautiful downtown detroit the answer is yes. Thats why i dont understand someone who says oh look i have options to commute but i am young and single and can live anywhere. Or maybe they think they cant because of friends in their home town. i dont get it.

Again, let's say you get hired by a carrier flying -200s or 145s. As they get parked, you eventually have to move over to their 175*. So you have to go through ONE extra initial training. Again, unless you plan on staying a 175 driver for life (not sure your situation) you will be going through MULTIPLE initials, what is one extra?

Everyone has their reasons for picking their respective airline and if not going through initial more than once is yours, so be it. I am just cautioning that you may be boxing yourself in by using such a arbitrary criteria.

* - assumes that just about every jet carrier out there currently has or will be flying 175s at some point since indeed, they appear to be the future. Yes, Envoy currently does NOT have any 175s but even the strongest no-voter usually agrees they will be here at some point.

tunes 07-22-2014 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1689169)
I think there is a shift into the 175 as the new regional airframe. I don't want to start on a crj200 if its going be based in kingman. I know they aren't going away tomorrow but if the airframes that are being flown on the regional level are 175's then that is what i am interested in. As far as hopping between regionals i am not sure if i will have a choice on that one. The worst one today could be the best one tomorrow. If i had a choice i would go to compass as i think they will be around for a while especially with the flowthrough to delta. But at the same time if i have no choice but to bounce between regionals if i end up being furlough fodder i suppose thats the price im willing to pay for wanting to become an airline pilot. As far s the work rules go that is going to take some research. I want the 175 because i want to be on one airframe for my entire career. I believe sjs is based on pilots that think the airplane would be cool to fly or because it has engines under the wings? I dont quite understand that mindset. I am not referring to going through proficiency checks. I am referring to going through initial as little as possible. If that is something i cant avoid then i will take other airframes into serious consideriation. If it is something i can avoid i am sticking with the 175. As far as commuting goes. I am young and single with no responsibilities so when they ask if can live in beautiful downtown detroit the answer is yes. Thats why i dont understand someone who says oh look i have options to commute but i am young and single and can live anywhere. Or maybe they think they cant because of friends in their home town. i dont get it.

Compass flow will not apply to you

Swedish Blender 07-22-2014 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1689161)
Personal preference. I dont want to go through ground school 5 times and collect 5 type ratings. There is a shift to the 175 by republic mesa and skywest. Republic ordered more i know they already have those airframes. That and not commuting are my biggest concerns.

I agree about commuting although I have always done it.

Ground school is something you'll have to get used to. I've had 9 in the 18 years I been flying professionally. I have been on my current airplane for 4 years next month. That is the longest span yet. The shortest time on an aitframe was 6 weeks.

nanceystyles 07-22-2014 07:28 AM

Heard you guys are getting another vacancy bid to come out.


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