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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1874273)

A little off on the cause, but generally you've got the right conclusion: it did take a judge to force the flow and we do believe they will just renege on the rest at will.

Recently, the company and the union could not come to an agreement on reserve rules, so the company ceased "ALL" negotiations and has unilaterally installed new reserve rules in complete violation of anything our contract stands for. Do you really think they won't violate the flow language too? These are evil people and working for them SUCKS.

Exactly what I said 3 pages ago. Not sure why it takes multiple people saying the same things repeatedly for new hires to finally get it.

The bottom line is that envoy has nothing of value to offer prospective employees despite whatever lies certain recruiters are distributing. Management has no need to make it attractive; they're trying to shrink it. So why would new hires who will have to commute or relocate regardless want to come here? Flow through, as has been discussed, is highly speculative in nature, so if that's the only draw, it's not a good decision. Keep in mind, it is the recruiters' job to get people on property, no matter what. As line pilots, we really don't care one way or the other about their hiring goals or whether you come here or not. We're just bluntly broadcasting the known facts. Prospective new hires: whom do you think is a better source of info?

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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1874267)

It will drop to 14 year guys by this summer, but those guys waited 10 years to upgrade to Captain here at envoy air, inc, formerly known as American Eagle, formerly known as Command, Simmons, Executive, and Wings West.

I've been here 15+ yrs now and won't be offered to go until next year, after my 16 yr. anniversary.

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Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 1874163)

I am not in a corner. It is a gimmick. It will work for some people, but it is not a solution to the problem. Do you think that a flow makes all of the abuse that regional pilots have been getting for years makes it worth it?

It is a gimmick. A real solution would be a seniority number or everything larger than 50 seats at mainline.

DING! DING! DING! we have a winner.
Bet'n on the flow? Look out below!