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snippercr 01-19-2015 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by thump (Post 1807593)
72 hour lines sounds like you are overstaffed relative to your peers. The difference between 72 hours at Envoy vs 85 hours at RAH represents about 500 pilots worth of flying at Envoy. Whoah!

Yet we are parking airplanes because we cant staff them. Our union has solutions to the crappy AOS software which creates the lines but a certain turd in DFW refuses to use it.

And how the hell has this thread last this long with out RJ Pilot chiming in? Seriously an Envoy thread shows up and he has like this 6th sense to come in with his good lucks.

Oh well, he's probably off in his shiny GV going to places like Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong.

pete2800 01-19-2015 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 1807498)
dont go anywhere that offers a signing bonus. end of story.

This right here is spot on.


If they have to throw a "bonus" at you to get you to show up, you're probably making a bad decision.

Jersdawg 01-19-2015 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by thump (Post 1807593)
72 hour lines sounds like you are overstaffed relative to your peers. The difference between 72 hours at Envoy vs 85 hours at RAH represents about 500 pilots worth of flying at Envoy. Whoah!

Quite the opposite. The low time lines have resulted in the company zeroing out on reserves even on good weather days. We are very understaffed, and I truly don't understand what the problem is with the lines. Maybe Jim Schuck is making our schedules, too...

highflyer0685 01-19-2015 11:12 PM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1807420)
Rah may have no cx pay but with these awful lines at envoy you will face equal money loss and same long upgrade.

Ask envoy recruitment at events what's going to be done to fix these awful lines and upgrade time. Till management address that I'd highly advice going elsewhere. I see most lines as 72 hours pay and 13 or less days off with carryover. That's awful with a 7-8 year upgrade. If management doesn't address botH these problems Idk why Anyone would waist their time coming here!!!

Personally I wouldn't go to either of these airlines but if you had to pick I'd go to RAH....... at least they have a spine and know what the word "No" means when it comes to a ****** contract.

boiler07 01-19-2015 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by thump (Post 1807593)
72 hour lines sounds like you are overstaffed relative to your peers. The difference between 72 hours at Envoy vs 85 hours at RAH represents about 500 pilots worth of flying at Envoy. Whoah!

Yet we still manage to zero out the reserve lists.

skyxbomb 01-20-2015 02:12 AM


Originally Posted by highflyer0685 (Post 1807624)
Personally I wouldn't go to either of these airlines but if you had to pick I'd go to RAH....... at least they have a spine and know what the word "No" means when it comes to a ****** contract.

Ha!! The OG of 4th year FO pay cap with no CX pay and barely any flight benefits? Is that the RAH you're referring to? Saying no takes spine... But what about knowingly working for such crap ops in the first place?

Iowa Farm Boy 01-20-2015 03:07 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1807580)
Guess no one cares about flow through either, 3 new hires today, all erj Dfw.

Hehe. Jerry G. couldn't believe it when we were't jumping for joy over more FT promises, and it turns out those on the street aren't either.

Now that they've forced this pile of manure on us, they're going to have to do a hard sell to get anyone on the street to eat this sandwich.

Good luck Jerry. Hope you choke on it.

prex8390 01-20-2015 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by pete2800 (Post 1807610)
This right here is spot on.


If they have to throw a "bonus" at you to get you to show up, you're probably making a bad decision.

got that advice from a fedex pilot friend of mine. his interpretation was, throw $10,000 to some in debt kid fresh out of flight training/college and make him sign on the dotted line telling him about how great the life is and he can standby his girlfriend for a weekend in Paris together, and tell him after he has cashed the check that their contract is gonna make them want to quit and do something else.

AdiosMikeFox 01-20-2015 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1807531)
So you're saying it's better to lead innocent lambs to slaughter if it improves your situation ?



......and some say this profession isn't totally screwed. :cool:


Lambs to the slaughter? How melodramatic. As if other regionals are "better" at much anything. Even after all that has happened, Envoy still has a contract that's better than most. The others currently have low upgrade time as a leading reason to apply there, but that won't last, and if one isn't hired soon that upgrade will be pretty far down the road.

AlaskaBound 01-20-2015 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1807503)
And until you stop telling people to come to envoy your situation will not improve.

No new bodies = bad staffing = bad schedules and no upgrades.

Oh so now it's the pilots fault your situation isn't improving? You must hold management's hand as they pour the Kool-Aid package in your water and ask them to hold the straw as you sip and say "tell me more about your plan to make this a great regional airline"


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