envoy mec about to implode
04-22-2015 | 02:19 PM
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Getting pretty nasty over there on the lounge. Reps calling each other out in public. Resident trolls rubbing salt in the wound(Which one are you RJ?).
Basic premise is that the NY and ORD reps, and the MEC officers, want to recall everyone on the negotiating committee. The DFW reps don't want this. The fact that the CA reps wife and the FO rep himself are on the committee probably has nothing to do with it(sarcasm). The NY rep appears to be spearheading all this. Everyone thinks he has an alternative motivation as well, seeing as his base is being closed. The DFW reps are now calling for a DFR lawsuit because the rest of the reps had a phone call without them. They also say that the MEC chairman is hiding certain truths from the pilot groups about what the company wanted from us, and that he also negotiated in private with the company.
Basic premise is that the NY and ORD reps, and the MEC officers, want to recall everyone on the negotiating committee. The DFW reps don't want this. The fact that the CA reps wife and the FO rep himself are on the committee probably has nothing to do with it(sarcasm). The NY rep appears to be spearheading all this. Everyone thinks he has an alternative motivation as well, seeing as his base is being closed. The DFW reps are now calling for a DFR lawsuit because the rest of the reps had a phone call without them. They also say that the MEC chairman is hiding certain truths from the pilot groups about what the company wanted from us, and that he also negotiated in private with the company.
04-22-2015 | 10:11 PM
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Well for one, the reserve section of our contract hasn't been updated to jive with Part 117. We aren't required to proffer or confirm for next day reserve assignments, an it's causing scheduling havoc with long call because we have hardly any pilots on early RAP. Of course, if the company used reserves the way they are SUPPOSED to be used, this wouldn't be an issue, but I digress (half of the NYC base pilots are on reserve for example.) The company wants to fix this, but isn't willing to give any real QOL improvements in exchange for what they are asking, in reality what they want would be concessions for us. Instead, they are threatening to violate the CBA and impose RAP 1 or RAP 2 lines in the bid packets every month among other things.
Also, they know there is going to be a huge cost in the displacement bid with the closing of the NYC base. They want to avoid the training costs, and want to subvert our contract and seniority by pay protecting captains to be displaced and fly as F/O's, and all sorts of BS like that to escape the requirements of our current contract that they forced us into not long ago. They could simply flow more pilots to AA since they've told the MEC we are going to be a 1,200 pilot airline (we have about 2,000 pilots now) but that would just make too much sense since it's a win-win.
Also, they know there is going to be a huge cost in the displacement bid with the closing of the NYC base. They want to avoid the training costs, and want to subvert our contract and seniority by pay protecting captains to be displaced and fly as F/O's, and all sorts of BS like that to escape the requirements of our current contract that they forced us into not long ago. They could simply flow more pilots to AA since they've told the MEC we are going to be a 1,200 pilot airline (we have about 2,000 pilots now) but that would just make too much sense since it's a win-win.
04-23-2015 | 11:54 PM
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Well for one, the reserve section of our contract hasn't been updated to jive with Part 117. We aren't required to proffer or confirm for next day reserve assignments, an it's causing scheduling havoc with long call because we have hardly any pilots on early RAP. Of course, if the company used reserves the way they are SUPPOSED to be used, this wouldn't be an issue, but I digress (half of the NYC base pilots are on reserve for example.) The company wants to fix this, but isn't willing to give any real QOL improvements in exchange for what they are asking, in reality what they want would be concessions for us. Instead, they are threatening to violate the CBA and impose RAP 1 or RAP 2 lines in the bid packets every month among other things.
Also, they know there is going to be a huge cost in the displacement bid with the closing of the NYC base. They want to avoid the training costs, and want to subvert our contract and seniority by pay protecting captains to be displaced and fly as F/O's, and all sorts of BS like that to escape the requirements of our current contract that they forced us into not long ago. They could simply flow more pilots to AA since they've told the MEC we are going to be a 1,200 pilot airline (we have about 2,000 pilots now) but that would just make too much sense since it's a win-win.
Also, they know there is going to be a huge cost in the displacement bid with the closing of the NYC base. They want to avoid the training costs, and want to subvert our contract and seniority by pay protecting captains to be displaced and fly as F/O's, and all sorts of BS like that to escape the requirements of our current contract that they forced us into not long ago. They could simply flow more pilots to AA since they've told the MEC we are going to be a 1,200 pilot airline (we have about 2,000 pilots now) but that would just make too much sense since it's a win-win.
Company wanted it and didn't get it.
04-24-2015 | 03:19 AM
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