And more to follow

We still have CRJ transfers (eventually completed by 2018), but the EMB transfers could easily come from parked jets and short term storage jets and not from active ones....
Still, they're flexible enough to change as needed.

As was foretold.

Currently true, but that could change

They need to fix QOL first before anybody recommends it again in my opinion. They came out with their turning it around stuff, then did nothing to back it up, and actually treated us worse.

Reneging on promises has been their M.O. for decades. That's a major point I made about your incessant sales tactics here that others may be unaware of. Everyone should be able to get more than one side to a story (or sales pitch).

Looks like it's time to admit that it doesn't appear to be a very good time to be an Envoy pilot after all.

decades? AAG has only been running the show since December 2013. There are significant and distinct differences. On our end at Envoy they actually get less direct intervention than AMR used to ever do. Unfortunately we are stuck with managers and upper level management who only know how to do things the AMR way.

Depends, doesn't it. QOL issues change all the time. We're in the middle of contract negotiations over entire sections of the CBA; so knowing them it makes perfect sense the pain they're inflicting. Every month we see more of the super senior guys punch out to AA, and it makes their bogus offers look good by comparison.

Yes, decades. It's profundly naive to think although various managers come and go, the consistant philosophy toward pilots there is any different since the 1990's.

I guess you haven't seen enough yet to convince yourself there really is no "distinct difference" between past and present. Another year or so into the future should do that. :cool:


The CBA there has been subverted for decades contract, negotiations or not. Every new contract results in ALPA flushing hundreds of grievances to the forgiven section as proof. I think you're rationalizing your situation and that's the first mistake in the repeated Envoy pilot accident chain that never seems to end.

I thought a long term contract was signed in January?

Renegotiating to ensure CBA is in compliance with 117 rules. Currently there are issues causing headaches for both sides. Since there is negotiating both sides are trying to make certain gains. Example, Company wants trip/duty rigs for CDOs, Mec says they must be for all trips or no go.

Reserve section is getting a complete overhaul.

Part of reason managers are making life so difficult here is to try and get the MEC and pilots to cave on certain items.

Somebody gets it

Explain it to the trolls

I can't tell but are you flip flopping again? Last week you said stay away but now it seems like you are leaning back towards your message that its a good time to be an envoy pilot?

Let us know which way your going, thanks.

I just wanted to say thank you for everyone's suggestions, as of right now my prospects are Skywest, compass, republic, envoy and Piedmont, I'm still not sure where to lean to thou I do think compass would be good but bases are far from me. I currently have around 900 and need 1000 for the RATP. I'll try doing my research on all of them. Once again thanks all

Honestly? Stay as far away from Republic as you can. I can't emphasize this enough. If you choose to ignore this advice, proceed at your own risk.

Otherwise, you have a pretty good list. I don't think you can go wrong with any of those airlines you listed. Do any of them allow you to live in base? Let that tip the scales in one direction or the other for you.

Despite all the crap you read on here, all of those airlines are good places to be. All have pros and cons and it evens out. Here at Envoy we are in the process of negotiating improvements to our day to day operations. The E-175s arrive later this year. Both those will combine in the fall/winter to make Envoy a much more viable place than the trolls around here think.