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buddies8 07-24-2015 06:14 PM

Hers is my pilot input, hell NO to 5 day trips. 5 day trips are no more efficient than the current 3 to 4 day trips we have now. We would have 5 day trips worth 15 hours pay here at useless AAG holding.

N927EV 07-24-2015 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by jdflyer1999 (Post 1936517)
Company proposed them. Union wanted pilot input on idea, hence questionnaire. My best guess is that it will be a nogo item.

Unless it's 5 on 25 off. I'm all game for that.

Skyvector 07-24-2015 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1936465)
Let the misinformation flow.

That should be the tagline for the Airline Pilot Central forums...

Let the misinformation flow.

And generation after generation of wide eyed, up and coming pilots will be led astray in a never ending cycle. Companies such as Republic and Mesa practically depend on it.

Tsuda 07-25-2015 01:34 AM

Uh, Envoy does too. Two and a half upgrade my a$$.

JohnnyDingus 07-25-2015 02:41 AM

How many pilots have been hired this year?


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Bell0805 07-25-2015 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1936437)
I didn't disagree. I simply pointed out the weak part in their model. it relies on a plane everybody else is trying to get rid of. That can be a red flag, and it should be. There's good reasons everybody is ditching them.

PDT has more growth and opportunities out there right now then any other airline that i know of. They have done really well so far with the Dash and should only improve with the 145. Not discussing the planes themselves PDT has a really good contract. It is missing nothing or at least very little.

Cujo665 07-25-2015 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by Bell0805 (Post 1936747)
PDT has more growth and opportunities out there right now then any other airline that i know of. They have done really well so far with the Dash and should only improve with the 145. Not discussing the planes themselves PDT has a really good contract. It is missing nothing or at least very little.

Again, I don't disagree with that. I'm simply saying their growth is based on planes everybody else is getting rid of.

Lvlng4Spd 07-25-2015 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1936419)
The problem with PDT is the fleet. If fuel goes nuts, they're in trouble. Long term, my bet is PDT gets folded into one of the other two when their jets aren't profitable enough... or when a pilot can't be wasted on only 50 seats.

There is a reason we parked a ton of the things to begin with. We have plenty of pilots.


PDT also has all of the contract provisions to accept 175s down the road and I would expect to see that eventually. The 145s going to PDT had more to do with FAA oversight than what the long term plan is. The FAA wants to see the progression of the 145 program before approval of the larger jets. Will there be consolidation at that point? Who knows...but you would want PDT's contract to rule the day, that is for sure.

CBreezy 07-25-2015 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 1936756)
PDT also has all of the contract provisions to accept 175s down the road and I would expect to see that eventually. The 145s going to PDT had more to do with FAA oversight than what the long term plan is. The FAA wants to see the progression of the 145 program before approval of the larger jets. Will there be consolidation at that point? Who knows...but you would want PDT's contract to rule the day, that is for sure.

I'm sorry. I can't help myself. It's "rue the day" and it's not a good thing :). But yes, the PDT contract is one of the good ones.

AdiosMikeFox 07-25-2015 05:19 AM

Is this what we've come to?

PDT has a good contract?

Is this by measure of actually how good PDT's contract is or how far everyone else has fallen?


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