Can you verify that, someone said in another thread that march was just when the company would start calling in reverse seniority order to force them to sht or get off the pot.

 

also if I remember correctly the 824 and pref hire agreement at envoy can not be diluted by a merger, has a life of its own. does not mean aag will not screw with it.

 

I don't believe thats how it works. According to my source, its MAY and thats when they will call the 800+ that are still out to make the final and irrevocable decision to come back. Your savior Cuj should explain it better.

What.... like 400 or so will return?

Good Luck!

 

Can you explain your fractions please? (Student)

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6yrs to upgrade/13 to flow. But in reality is 10/16.


Good Luck!

 

2.5/5 is what the company is saying for upgrade and flow. 2.5 from new hire to upgrade. 5 years from new hire to flow. In actuality, it's currently 8 years (or more) to upgrade and 16 to flow. So 8/16. I'm sure Cuj will be on here shortly saying that unless somebody discovers the fountain of youth, then it has to drop.

But facts are what they are. Right now, today, it's a min of 8 years to upgrade and 16 to flow.

 

Careful now, you can't tell them facts.

You my friend are a troll.

Good Luck!

 

Understood. A month ago I attended a meet and greet. I was told 3/6. The Envoy FO that was there is about to take his chances with Emirates at approximately 4500TT.

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That's because right now, today we are flowing the backlogged pilots who didn't flow in the decade after 9/11.

But that is just "facts" and isn't as cool of a soundbite as "16 year flow!!" Doesn't change the fact that pilots hired today will flow in 6 to 7 years at our minimum flow rate. The only thing that could affect that is if all hiring at AA stops and/or Envoy ceases to exist. Neither one is likely to happen. But keep pushing those cute soundbites you learned online.

The recalled pilots are returning as we speak. In most moths AA has ZERO street hires so that they can run classes made up entirely of Envoy pilots and recalls. In March 2016 the recalls end. That will free up additional class dates for either street hires and/or more Envoy flow throughs.

Another point to consider is this. Currently AA is running very small classes when compared to Delta and United. That won't last for long. Once they get their full cadre of instructors and check airmen up and running their class sizes WILL increase. Current class numbers are the absolute minimum for AA and their training department is playing catch up. Once they do catch up, class sizes will increase as will the amount of Envoy flow throughs.

 

LOL'd and thats the worst thing you can do now. Emirates. There is a reason pilots are quitting there like gangbusters and just recently, they lowered their mins. The big E isn't what it was 5-10yrs ago.

Might as well ride the envoy wave!

Good Luck!