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Old 08-12-2015, 06:17 AM
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Flow is expected to remain at 18 pilots a month through 2015 and only increase to 20 pilots a month for all of 2016. The low flow through numbers for 2016 are attributed to the amount of recalls returning. The flow-through is expected to get to June 2001 hires by the end of 2016 and the remainder of the 824 group will end approximately with October/November 2004 hires estimated by August 2017.
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Flow is expected to remain at 18 pilots a month through 2015 and only increase to 20 pilots a month for all of 2016. The low flow through numbers for 2016 are attributed to the amount of recalls returning. The flow-through is expected to get to June 2001 hires by the end of 2016 and the remainder of the 824 group will end approximately with October/November 2004 hires estimated by August 2017.
Instead of 2.5/5, it's still 8/16 through the end of 16. Goes to a 13 year flow at the end of 2017. Not sure about the upgrade at the end of 17. Let's call it 6/13.
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Flow is expected to remain at 18 pilots a month through 2015 and only increase to 20 pilots a month for all of 2016. The low flow through numbers for 2016 are attributed to the amount of recalls returning. The flow-through is expected to get to June 2001 hires by the end of 2016 and the remainder of the 824 group will end approximately with October/November 2004 hires estimated by August 2017.
Understandable provided there are no unforeseen situations that would slow that. That's 2 years to get through the present 824 group mandated to get X percentages of classes via arbitration. By then though a whole new paradigm could be in place that includes the consolidation of some carriers diluting flow projections for present non-824 Envoy pilots. It simply to far of a stretch to predict with any accuracy when a non-824 pilot will flow, let alone an Envoy new-hire of today.

I understand the desire to make a WAG "projection" look attractive to lure in pilots, but that is the primary point of such a WAG projection.
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RJ Pilot in 3.....2.....1....good luck!
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By then though a whole new paradigm could be in place that includes the consolidation of some carriers diluting flow projections for present non-824 Envoy pilots.
PSA and Piedmont are going to merge, you heard it here first. A plan is in motion.
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I'd bet pdt and envoy the second the last dash is parked, and expect that sooner than later. But hey what do I know.

Also for the upgrade you need to factor in that envoy is about to obtain more flying and block hours, especially comparing now to 2016. Also our attrition is spiking again as the entire freakin industry is hiring.
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Originally Posted by SpreadEagle View Post
Flow is expected to remain at 18 pilots a month through 2015 and only increase to 20 pilots a month for all of 2016. The low flow through numbers for 2016 are attributed to the amount of recalls returning. The flow-through is expected to get to June 2001 hires by the end of 2016 and the remainder of the 824 group will end approximately with October/November 2004 hires estimated by August 2017.
Recalls only have until March 2016 to make a decision. After that they lose their ability to return to AA. So your predictions for 2016 are not correct.

The rest of the post is pure conjecture. This reeks of a "flight attendant rumor" or "gate agent rumor" or "someone who knows someone who knows someone else said....."
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Can you verify that, someone said in another thread that march was just when the company would start calling in reverse seniority order to force them to sht or get off the pot.
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also if I remember correctly the 824 and pref hire agreement at envoy can not be diluted by a merger, has a life of its own. does not mean aag will not screw with it.
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