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I still think the PSA diagram is the best!

Is there any truth to this whatsoever? I know 4 and 5 year FO's who were on reserve and guys who took 15 years to flow.

AA Frist Officer, new category?

Yes, and as you know this industry is static and never changes.

Wow...shameless plug for 1k.....


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The Almighty carrot!

I hope you people see the complete hypocracy and lunacy here. NO TECH OR SIM EVAL!!!!

The only difference between Envoy's "in-person" interviews and Mesa's phone interviews is that Envoy gets to see your ugly mug before you show up for class. Beyond that, they even are proudly exclaiming they don't care if you can fly a basic ILS or read an approach plate. I'd say this is even worse than Mesa.

The SJS has been replaced with a promise of a mainline job.
Do people really believe and trust anyone in aviation?

Rule #1

If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

Rule #2

Management will do and say anything to fulfill their goals.

The abbreviated application process is only available to existing part 121 pilots. That is significantly different than cold calling people off the FAA database to offer anybody with a license a job.

How many Envoy threads are going to be created with recruitment attempts? This reeks of desperation.

The Envoy guys know that if they don't recruit people quickly, there is no way that the flow can continue as projected. AAG is not going to flow people and kill the regional lift that Envoy gives them.

It is sad that the Envoy pilots on here would blatantly lie and screw over new pilots and try to get them to go to Envoy. There are 3 year guys still on reserve as FOs and they think that people will believe that new hires will flow in 5 years. It doesn't work like that.

It's not like we've been restructuring for the past 2yrs huh... Also going from 95% of all AAs feed to now a portion HURT during the downsize but now we're prime for movement, based strictly on attrition not growth... It's not "hope you're in during the massive growth" it's continuous movement based on a 50% of AA hire classes.

Please tell me how I or anyone else am "blatantly lying" or otherwise trying to screw over new pilots. Honestly, I'm curious.

Momma said because anyone who advertises their airline is the devil!

They used to say that about Doctors. And Lawyers.

Look how the public perception of those professions has changed since they started advertising. :eek:

Desperate times call for desperate measures. It will fail and Envoy won't get the number of replacement pilots it needs. By this time next year, the landscape will have to change once again and another plan however cockamamie will have to be embraced.

Envoy has a team of mules (at least one with an ALPA saddle blanket) willing to haul HUGE amounts of water for them. Expect that flea-bitten convoy to continue for awhile. :cool:

Exactly. Many here are more then willing to lure in unsuspecting saps to fill a necessary void to ensure their safe exit. It's really pilots throwing other pilots under the bus to help themselves. Sadly, some of these characters will soon be at AA as part of the 824 infecting the AA pilots ranks with their disease. :(

Says the guy that flew over and it's always angry. Perfect match for AA pilot... ;)

Do you mind if I sit back a little? Because your breath is very bad.

I have no allegiance whatsoever to ALPA, so trust me when I say I'm not carrying water for anyone.

Envoy is far from perfect, but for a new pilot to the industry (especially someone who is young and can suck it up at the regionals for a few years) it is a good option. If I was told in my mid 20's that I could be at AA in a few years if I went to envoy first, I would say sign me up. But maybe that's just me.

If I have lied or mislead anybody on here, please call me out and tell me where.

Nope, you get it. There's just a lot of sour grapes around who can't see that this next generation isn't going to be trapped like they (and to some extent we) were.
The regionals will shrink to 1/3rd their previous size as we all see currently transpiring across the industry.
AA is using flow to artificially keep from having to raise wages. That will work for a while. In any event, with current hiring trends it's a good time to be at an AAG WO; especially ENY or PDT.

There is no tech or sim evaluation FOR CURRENT PART 121 PILOTS. Anyone else still goes through the full interview. As opposed to Mesa and others who hire ANYBODY over the phone regardless of their prior experience.

With the intelligence and comprehension skills you demonstrate on this forum it's no surprise Eagle/Envoy didn't hire you.

Didn't Mesa get tapped by the FAA? Something about some of their pilots not properly certified.

Jochi, that's not a problem. The FAA has a history of being able to be bought off. Take a look and see how many people in decision making positions eventually left the FAA and are consulting for the airlines or are employes of the airline after they made a decision in favor of airline management. A couple of dollars under the table and the FAA looks the other way.

Just speaking on a macro level, a pilot entering the 121 world today is going to have a much different ride than someone entering the profession 5 years ago.

It's funny when guys that have finally moved on after the lost decade, post here in the regional section, and dream up scenarios where pilots get screwed because of X or Y happening. The paradigm has shifted, and they are stuck in the lost decade. The next decade will not look anything like the last one.

I am currently building my resume at Envoy (very junior), do you know what my plan is if the flow gets screwed? Go somewhere else! It's remarkable easy to find another job flying airplanes these days! With a couple of years 121 experience, LCC's are already taking guys like me. Overseas carriers are also starting to hurt for pilots. Pilot supply is only going to get tighter.

So, I guess I'm speaking to the new guys entering the 121 world when I say, don't stress too much about where to go. Your skills are in demand. If things don't work out at the place you choose, go somewhere else. With a couple of years experience, it will most likely be a move up.

It's a good time to be an airline pilot.

You are clueless. Plenty of guys with Tons of 121 PIC, degrees, CKA etc still at envoy. They have been trying to get on with majors for years.

Good Luck!

What kind of joke is this?

Good Luck!

Some people can't let go of their own misery. It was part of them for so long that they miss it when its gone and come back to spread it around.

Truth. It's a completely different ballgame from a decade ago, some just like to live in the past. Why people listen to them is beyond me. They will only be happy when X or Y fails... which honestly, is a long shot.

Past performance does not indicate future performance.

Stop making sense!!!! Eaglefly is right, everybody else is wrong!!! The flow will
Stop and Envoy will be merged with another carrier, and we are about to get an eye opener!!!!!!!!!!! The sky is falling!!!!

Im not saying he is right or wrong, but you have to be realistic. How in the world envoy will hire 400 new hires in a year?

The 824's will be gone. No doubt about it. The next group, the protected pilots, on the other hand, might send just a few because like it or not, the landscape will change once they can't hire 400 New hires.

No new hires on board, NO flow. Cuj keeps selling how great it is. He well knows about the shortage out there because in the end, NO one can staff it.....

Good Luck!

Envoy done with AA flows for 2015.
 

Alex Sidie states:*

"We have a pool of pilots from which to fill this year's classes. We will pull another list sometime prior to the end of the year for classes starting next year."

I like how management makes statements and then immediately contradicts their own statements.

There is no contradiction (not yet anyway!). There is a humungous difference between flow SELECTION and flow CLASSES.

Yeah this isn't a huge issue, guys that have been selected get put in a pool and then given classes. Its not an immediate oh you are awarded flow and then right to class.

It still wont stop certain trolls from making new threads titled something like "NO NEW ENVOY FLOWS REST OF YEAR - GOOD LUCK!".
Guys will still come off the seniority list every month as part of the flow.

Nothing exciting here.

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We have that chart at PSA too!

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LMAO!! That PSA chart is classic. Where's the other one?

Yeah, where is envoy's ?


Good Luck!