Envoy to American Airlines
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOl_8JsVwoI

Also with Piedmont and PSA, and OTS!!!
;)

No OTS for a while.

Correct me if I'm wrong I think PSA gets you an interview not a flowthrough

That is changing with our new TA soon to be released for vote. It is going from an interview to a straight flow. And it will incrementally double from 4 to 8 /month depending on our staffing levels. Still not quite as good as the other 2 wholly owneds, but it is better than no flow. And it is my understanding, AAG wants all 3 wholly owneds to have a similar flow, they are just taking more of the senior guys from Envoy and Piedmont now for financial reasons. Who knows though? Either way, better than nothing. The best way to AAG is now through Piedmont, Envoy, and PSA (in that order in my opinion).

https://youtu.be/iTiCn9N_AS4

Start somewhere around 55 sec point. Not sure how old it is, but its funny

Only Envoy and Piedmont has flow to American. PSA only gets a interview which currently takes a new hire +20 years.

Good luck!

Reading not your strong suit? Check a couple posts above.

Envoy Flow
 

Here's the latest...

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numbers don't lie.

1. Do you ever read before you post? Just a few posts above yours it's explained about PSA's situation, but you continue to making these ignorant posts.

2. If this is information pertaining to Envoy, then why didn't you post it in the thread titled ENVOY INFORMATION? Did you really need to make another Envoy thread?

clt crew news
 

in latest pilot meeting in clt with parker these numbers came directly from managment "500-600 total new hires of which 400-450 will be flows" if you factor in the 100-120 recalls expected next summer its gonna mean few if any OTS hires

This has already been talked about in an Envoy thread months ago. Old topic.

Talked about, yes.... but there are the numbers to show it's happening like they said it would.

Fastest way to AA will be through PDT & ENY followed by PSA. For a new guy getting into the industry, this keeps AA an option while applying everywhere else too.

For those employed elsewhere, they may as well take AA off their list unless they meet the friends, family or squadron buddy plan. That's 1/3 of the legacy jobs GONE from consideration because they chose to go to XYZ non-owned regional instead.

Man that video was awesome! Makes me want to switch regionals and join a wholly pwned

Not even an official video from recruiting. It was created by a few pilots, and a guy from the schoolhouse (he narrated and did most of the work).

So you're saying it gets even better ! Sign me up!

When does your vote close???

I know it is a safe assumption that PSA will vote yes, but as of now it is still a yet to be published TA.

What did you guys have to give up??

Nothing, the NC did a good job despite what everyone else predicted.

Dumb question since the details haven't been released. It doesn't matter anyway, you'll find a reason to hate it/PSA.

I thought it was a good question. You guys like taking it in the ringer for shiny things no?

Don't look now, but some of your own pilots disagree with you on this.

The fastest way to AA may NOT be through PDT & ENY for pilots moving to either of those carriers as new-hires this year or next. THEIR projections are many years away and there are far too many variables that could impact that to make such a claim. What is more accurate to say is that next year the fastest way to AA for senior PDT & ENY pilots is indeed through the flow. Perhaps 400 of them are PROJECTED to flow then. I think your claim above is misleading.

This is flat out untrue. The hiring stats while AA was hiring OTS indicate that the old "friends & family" plan active under a former chief pilot was NOT in play. It was mix of pilots from different backgrounds and all were well represented including military, civilian, regional, intern and even civilian regional F/O's who didn't know anyone at AA and had no leg up.

I don't think billyho hates PSA... I think he's probably indifferent and his question was a valid one.

From what we have heard from our NC is that we didn't give any concessions for this increase...

I work for envoy. What we have been through is widely known.

What PSA had to give up for their potential flow is not yet known, as the details of their TA have not yet been published. There is a lot of speculation, but that is all it is at this time.

I feel like they really got pilots to do this ad; the acting is terrible lol.

Ah so you've seen the language?

Yea I'm personally not holding my breath. The company is likely going to ask for something. I believe concessions can come in more than the monetary form.

There's a few in every crowd; look in the mirror for an example.

Sorry Eaglefly, as much as it must pain you to hear it; their plan is working and doing exactly what they said it would; better than promised in fact.

Spin it any way you want; the numbers don't lie.

They usually aren't

But on EL, Envoy pilots are saying you're getting about half the new-hires you need. You're even on there talking about how when they fail and ostensibly come running to your union leadership, they can't blame you and so that's why you're not "torpedoing every thing they do" (in fact you're doing the opposite).

Okay, just what are last months "numbers" (they're saying 12, which is eons from 33 and galaxies from the more realistic # of 40 each and every month) ? How many pilots did they hire at the ORD recruitment which was supposedly a "huge success" ? Is it true AAG is not ponying up another cent to Envoy pilots on the belief that the flow alone will do get what they need in the door here ? Is it true **** threw up his hands in an "I dunno" when asked what the plan is if they can't get 33/month in the door there ?

Come on Mason, give the lads the real info here. Enquiring minds want to know facts, not hypotheticals, hopes and projections.

last month 28, this month 12

400 is frontloading pilots while they can. They say they currently only need 15 a month average for their plan to work as Ric advertised it. If he doesn't know where the rest will come from, that's GOOD... more leverage for us to push for more improvements.

15/month and "frontloading" ? Okay, that's 180 next year, meaning 220 this year and if you include the 40 so far, that's another 180 over the 3 month period through the remainder of this year. Plus, that means they think only perhaps 6 pilots or so to leave Envoy each month for other carriers over that period. Those numbers don't add up there as new-hires dropped by half from August to September and any way you slice that cake over the next 15 months, their claimed goal appears unattainable considering AAG will not pump any more money into Envoy for long-term pilot recruitment.

Sounds like Envoy is indeed stumbling and indicative of simply being a convenient relief valve for the temporary backfiring of their ultimate plan. I understand the August number may have been inflated due to several CFI schools having pilots completing summer instructing tours and college courses only becoming available for Envoy at that point. As for improvements ?

Well, you've made multiple proposals that have for the most part been shot down by AAG already. What makes you think anything will be different once the carriers Envoy is currently assisting while THEY grow don't need Envoy assistance any longer and AAG is over that hump a year from now ?

Indeed, Envoy is stumbling along. However, its better than being kicked down hill which is what we have been doing the past 3 years.

And indeed, we serve as a filler airline ("relief" as you said) when others fail. We cover RAH flying in MIA and recently more so in ORD (several 9300 flights covering 4xxx flights), we covered Air Whiskey is DCA while they covered PSA, and we cover all the time XJT in DFW.

You are absolutely right that if THIS months hiring number is reflective of future hiring months, we will be short on the numbers required to make management's plan work - according to them.

However, can you tell me how many will be hired next month?

Just tell us, we'll believe you.

We believe you!

Yup. Just like everyone else. If it increases my take home pay/QOL and takes care of my family without harming the long term viability of this company, I'm all for it. I couldn't care less about the industry. If you claim your concern/loyalty is not to yourself/family, you're lying.

You fit in over there.

That's great, I just know when you get something you usually have to give something up. SAP is what I heard.

Let me know when you're ready to pay everyone's bills and make up for lost career progression while they're standing strong for you and your company. I doubt you will or stay strong for anyone but yourself. Everyone is big talk, because it's easy, until the rubber meets the runway.

So what's good for the industry isn't good for yourself or your family. Got it.

I haven't heard any rumors of them getting rid of the SAP. Not that it would matter because the company has essentially made it unusable as of late anyway. But I still wouldn't give it up in its broken state for anything.

I think the company wants relief on language in our contract dealing with DECs and they want to do 5 day IOE trips instead of 4 for efficiency. Like I said though, I don't think we should be giving ANYTHING up. But alas, I can't vote. So there it is.