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Originally Posted by tinman1
(Post 2041221)
Just curious, where are you getting the idea that someone hired at Mesa today will see a fast upgrade? The USS quick upgrade has already sailed off into the sunset for anyone with zero 121 time hired after 2014. And it's going to be a long, cold, and dark night for everyone else stuck here on FO pay. I can run some quick cocktail napkin math and show you the numbers so you can see for yourself if you would like me to. I am not trying to sound condescending and negative over this, but rather to give accurate info to a prospective new hire, such as yourself, so that you can make a well informed decision. Don't allow yourself to get duped into a bad decision because of a recruiter taking the used car salesman approach.
Mesa is not an awful place to work aside from the pay, but there are so many better deals out there for those entering the industry. If you decide on Mesa, be prepared to live on FO pay for at least a few years. The pay and benefits at Mesa are far lagging every other regional and many Mesa FO's that made the decision to go to Mesa when it was a more level playing field between regionals, are now looking at making lateral moves to other regionals. Going to just about any other regional at this point will double your pay. You're going to be stuck in the right seat for a while, so you really have to consider this. |
Originally Posted by Skyler02
(Post 2041318)
I agree with this. The quick upgrade at Mesa is over.
If you decide on Mesa, be prepared to live on FO pay for at least a few years. The pay and benefits at Mesa are far lagging every other regional and many Mesa FO's that made the decision to go to Mesa when it was a more level playing field between regionals, are now looking at making lateral moves to other regionals. Going to just about any other regional at this point will double your pay. You're going to be stuck in the right seat for a while, so you really have to consider this. They have have no previous 121 experience. But anyway, if they don't upgrade they gonna have a hard time on low pay.. :-/ |
Originally Posted by ju10489
(Post 2041428)
This is really surprising, currently 2 of my friends at Mesa who got hired 5 and 4 months ago told me they would upgrade in 14 months.
They have have no previous 121 experience. But anyway, if they don't upgrade they gonna have a hard time on low pay.. :-/ |
From my POV, it appears there will be a fair amount of CA attrition this year, so that will increase that 90 number. No one can predict how much, but it will be over 90.
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Originally Posted by BobJenkins
(Post 2041461)
From my POV, it appears there will be a fair amount of CA attrition this year, so that will increase that 90 number. No one can predict how much, but it will be over 90.
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Of course PHX is super senior, no argument from me there. My POV is talking to Mesa friends who tell me more CAs have apps out there, and are looking to make the jump.
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At envoy we have at least 360 Captain's flowing to AA this year. In addition to them, there are about 50 envoy pilots who have been given job offers (outside of the flow) that will be going to AA this year as well. Based on AA's retirement schedule and projected 2017 hiring, about 360 envoy Captains will be flowing that year as well. This is in addition to the attrition to DAL, UAL, Spirit etc.
Management claims that they 250 upgrades planned for this year is based on hiring only 15 pilots per month. (We have yet to see the actual bid but that is their claim) So far for the last few months we have gotten twice that amount. It stands to reason then, so long as we have new hires replacing them, we should be upgrading new Captains to replace those leaving on a one to one ratio. |
Originally Posted by BobJenkins
(Post 2041492)
My POV is talking to Mesa friends who tell me more CAs have apps out there, and are looking to make the jump.
Plus they all pay better and have better benefits. Mesa isn't even in the same league in that regard. I wouldn't even have Mesa on my radar if I were coming into the industry right now. |
Why would you recommend to anyone starting 121 today to do so in a prop? Commutair has no jets yet, and Piedmont can't staff the ones that they were supposed to already have.
As for your flow/interview postulation, from what I have read, those are about as trustable as your average politician's promises. Particularly the interview option. Also, money is not all that important to everyone. Just as there are folks who like to bid reserve, flying 20-50 hours a month, there are people who would prefer to fly more than min guarantee.
Originally Posted by tinman1
(Post 2041536)
Why why why??? I just dont get it. Go someplace like commutair or piedmont that still has many more RJs to be delivered and a flow or preferential interview to keep a constant attrition on the captain side.
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Originally Posted by BobJenkins
(Post 2041595)
Also, money is not all that important to everyone. Just as there are folks who like to bid reserve, flying 20-50 hours a month, there are people who would prefer to fly more than min guarantee.
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