Envoy or Skywest?
01-06-2016 | 09:03 AM
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Having flown for both i would go to SkyWest.... I think AA will go the way of UA and have mkre then one regional at each base.. Its already happening. Were Envoy use to be the only ORD AA partner that has changed.. Just think you will worried less about "what next" at SkyWest then Envoy.. When i was at Eagle i was constantly dealimg with. What are they going to do next.. (In a bad way). Never thought that at SkyWest.. All the uncertainty drags you down....
01-06-2016 | 09:39 AM
#12
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13 years at AE/Envoy
Go somewhere, anywhere but envoy. You're looking at a long terrible life on reserve and 4 years minimum to captain and you have to fly with toxic hateful captains such as myself. I will tell you how dumb you are and fill out terrible probationary reports in hopes that they let you go before your probie ride in an effort to save your career by forcing you to go to a different airline.
01-06-2016 | 09:41 AM
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Flow through agreements have a VERY, VERY bad historical track record for success (ie they tend to get cancelled before many people flow).
But in this case with so many retirements pending I would research the details of the flow agreement and the projected MANDATORY retirements at AA and based on that seriously consider Envoy. It will be important that enough senior envoy pilots move out of the way to allow you to upgrade (required prior to flow). Make sure there are not a bunch of eagle lifers who are going to sit tight and constipate your career plan.
For comparison, as mandatory retirements kick in over the next few years it will probably be safe to assume that upgrade on average at the various regionals will take three years, followed by two years of flying to get 1000 hours. That is no longer the assured path to the majors but it still seems to be an important career milestone and it's one that you have no control over once on a seniority list, so it's worth considering before you pick a regional.
But even without flow, there should be plenty of job opportunities for pilots from other regionals. That's why the flows have become so popular all of sudden...the majors know they're going to eventually end up losing their selectivity and having to hire just about everyone anyway, so they may as well get some negotiating capital out of it.
But in this case with so many retirements pending I would research the details of the flow agreement and the projected MANDATORY retirements at AA and based on that seriously consider Envoy. It will be important that enough senior envoy pilots move out of the way to allow you to upgrade (required prior to flow). Make sure there are not a bunch of eagle lifers who are going to sit tight and constipate your career plan.
For comparison, as mandatory retirements kick in over the next few years it will probably be safe to assume that upgrade on average at the various regionals will take three years, followed by two years of flying to get 1000 hours. That is no longer the assured path to the majors but it still seems to be an important career milestone and it's one that you have no control over once on a seniority list, so it's worth considering before you pick a regional.
But even without flow, there should be plenty of job opportunities for pilots from other regionals. That's why the flows have become so popular all of sudden...the majors know they're going to eventually end up losing their selectivity and having to hire just about everyone anyway, so they may as well get some negotiating capital out of it.
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