Seriously? You may want to check out CLT Guys giant post on the PSA thread man. Page 284 I believe. It sounds pretty horrible over there. Good luck.

He's trolling hard. Look at his newest avatar.

But the CLT Guy said is "not as bad as Envoy". I would say they are in worst shape than us. Being bigger give us more flexibility.

All 3 AAG wholly owneds are hurting in their own ways right now and it is all being exacerbated by AAG's management not being willing to raise the FO pay and improve the contracts. They keep offering bonuses and a gimicky flow that is already proving to not be working out as planned. Furloughees returning to AA combined with an overall shrinkage of about 40-50 airframes at AA over the next few years will mean they inevitably need less pilots to meet their staffing goals. That means less pilots flowing. I'm really starting to think that the flow was designed to get the top paid regional CAs to flow to mainline and that's it. After this year, I think it's anyone's guess what will happen with the flows.

I agree. And then the trapped guys are stuck with 12 year caps.

My gut tells me to go to envoy. They need pilots, we all know that. How hard is it to offer the airplane that we all want?

Which plane are you gonna choose when you flow to AA in 6 years?

Im an Airbus fan myself. The automation is incredible!

You make a very good case with this. I've actually said that Envoy will flow out the 824 and then you'll see management halting the flow stating they have to have the pilots to operate. Holding the pilots hostage out of critical necessity if you will. If ALPA goes as far as filing a lawsuit, which I seriously doubt, then Envoy management will be in court requesting an injunction due to the fact that the company would shut down if they continued to flow pilots out when no more are coming through the door.

That would be quite the vindication for you. After all, it'd be the only confirmation you ever get that leaving for allegiant was a better choice. :rolleyes: