Envoy offering 300% OT
 

Looks like we went from overstaffed to understaffed in a hurry...boatloads of critical coverage also...

************************************************** *************
******************VACATION BUYBACK*****************************
FOR THE CONTRACTUAL MONTH OF JUNE THE COMPANY WILL BE OFFERING
VACATION BUYBACK FOR THE FOLLOWING STATUS:
ORD EMJ CA
ORD CRJ CA
DFW 175 CA
DFW 175 FO
IF YOU HOLD A WEEK OF VACATION FOR BLOCKS: 23,24,25 OR 26 AND
WOULD LIKE TO FORGO YOUR VACATION TO BE PAID OUT AT THE VALUE
OF THE DAY, WHICH IS THREE HOURS PER DAY, THEN PLEASE SUBMIT
THE RF 100 VOPT FORM.
WINDOW WILL OPEN: 11 MAY 2016
AND CLOSE: 15 MAY 2016
THE AWARDS WILL BE: 16MAY 2016
************************************************** ************

Its only for CAs and 175 FOs. Clearly their Vacancy BID was late as usual.

Got Flow?

Good Luck!

Screw aag, take your vacation. If they cancel it, company has to reimburse you for loss of deposits and payments made upfront for tickets etc, then get a doctors note.

Instead of spending vacation dodging Zika at a nice resort in a tropical location, you could spend it catching diseases in an unsanitary filth infested chair in the crew room.

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Yes these chairs just say "We here at envoy management offer a quality caring product for our employees".

The cheap bastards aren't even buying back at 150%? F-em... Endeavor also bought back June vacation (for all positons in the company) 3.5 hours per day and at 150% pay rate. I'd say you guys should enjoy the time off.

WoW those chairs are disgusting! Is this AA?

Welcome to the new AA.......

Thanks Doug Parker.

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THOSE CHAIRS LOL

Here's the relevant HI6
 

************************************************** *************
**************vacation fly through*****************************
for the contractual month of june the company will be offering
vacation fly through premium for the following status:
Ord emj ca
ord crj ca
dfw 175 ca
dfw 175 fo
if you hold a week of vacation for the contractual month of
june and elect to fly through your vacation per section 11.h.8
the flying performed during the scheduled vc will be paid per
section 3.i.4 at a 300%.
** you must add your desire to work your original flying in
the remark section of the bid ballot. **
************************************************** *************

So excited to see how they're going to contractually flow people in 5-6 years to American when they can't even hire enough pilots from the bottom to account for all the flows that are leaving. It's like watching an old worn out Vegas Casino implode.

vacation is 3 hours per day?? dang that's low...

These are the crew room chairs in Eagle crew room at DFW. They were the sleep room chairs but people kept pushing them out into the hallway and a grievance was filed. So now they replaced the recliners in the main crew room. They say there are more chairs coming - ordered since March(uh huh).

This should be raw evidence that envoy is run by dirtbags. They expect you to sit in these disgusting nasty chairs. Now think how wonderful some of our overnight hotels are.

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The one thing I will say is that aside from the hotels almost always being close to the airport, they're never disgusting or outdated (except for the Wingate in XNA.)

As for how management treats their pilots? You hit the nail on the head. It's the worse that I've ever seen here and I still cannot fathom why other then to think that they really are that unqualified to be in their respective positions. We are their best recruiters and when they have the audacity to break the contract and treat us like garbage to the extreme amount that they have been doing, especially in this "pilot-friendly" marketplace, how can they be surprised when there is no massive influx of new-hires? The latest word is that envoy may be spending some big bucks on a marketing firm to try and entice new-hires, rather then spending the money on actually fixing this place...

For any management trolls out there, here's a few pointers:

1. Fire a certain pilot-hating scheduling manager (anyone who works here knows who she is)
2. Negotiate reserve in good faith and come to a mutually beneficial agreement that takes both parties concerns into account, while preserving seniority and also recognizing that we are now an airline full of forced commuters.
3. Follow the freakin' contract. If you want to do something outside of the bounds of the contract, notify and negotiate with the union in good faith, rather then "fly now-grieve later" solutions.

The animosity between the envoy pilot group and management is as bad as it's ever been, and it does't have to be. Making Envoy Great Again is so easy a caveman could do it.

Are you finally dumping that Camelback you've been carrying around for management? Sounds like a major change of tune for you here.

Usually you are the first to jump on something I post to discredit it and tell me how out of touch I am and in other words, don't know ****. I posted again today the same thing I've been saying for months now and you didn't ask me how many engine failures I've had this month.

How many did you have?! Was it 3? I bet it was 3!:D

For those who have in the past claimed I am (or one of) the ultimate "Envoy basher/hater(s)", nothing I have ever said could do more damage then posts like this that reveal the reality of Envoy as seen from too many of their pilots.

It isn't the "trolls" who don't work there that are telling like it is, it is those that do. It is being bandied about that Envoy management is now in the process of selecting a new marketing team (another word for "sales") to paint Envoy in new and exiting colors in the hopes of luring more pilots to their doorstep.

Personally, I think it more wasted time and money on schemes that don't fix the problem and until that is fixed, Envoy will continue to wither as one of the less desirable destinations for pilots aside from those who have connections to DFW and ORD.

Well I think you're a disgruntled tool bag who flips around everything I say, so no that tune hasn't changed. My post was to highlight the reasons why we're not getting new-hires. Do I agree with these new-hires? No. I've always been someone who looks for long term, rather then short term rewards and I find that envoy is a place that will get a new-hire a better long-term reward. If some 23 year old kid is butt hurt that he's not going to upgrade after a year or have to slug it out commuting to reserve (god forbid, it's not like none of us had to do that), then that's his prerogative. Go to Mesa or Compass or Skywest, upgrade a little bit earlier (BIG maybe), and then try getting on with one of the big 3. Let me know how that goes!

I've said it time and time again that if you go that route and you want to get on with AA, Delta, or United then you better work your ass off networking or be prior military (or both). Basically jump through a ton of hoops on your time off in hopes of getting that interview. Otherwise, have fun at a LCC. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that we all have different career goals. My career goal is to be at AA.

Dude, you're annoying as *******. You work at Allegiant!!! I laugh every time I write that. You chose poorly. :p

Now that I have you roped in, what are your career goals and how are they moving along? Any interviews lined up at one of the big 3 or are you going to stay satisfied with your lateral move and pray that you don't pop any more engines?

I'm painting a real picture of how envoy is, for better or worse. I don't have an agenda unlike yourself. I'm not biased as being pro-envoy or against. I would come here if I were a new-hire, but then again maybe my mentality on looking more then just a couple of years down the road is not in line with the new-hires out there.

I think this poster was made for you.

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Endeavor is also implementing staffing incentives this summer. Shouldn't be also be over there preaching how Endeavors guaranteed interview will never work and Endeavor will fail. 'course, I guess you don't have a bone to pick with Endeavor.

envoy management is making some horrible mistakes but I think offering 300% vacation OT and dirty chairs are a far cry from envoy will fail. Keeping dreaming and wishing though.

Despite your convictions, I have no agenda for or against present Envoy pilots. If I did, I would ONLY post pro or anti-Envoy, which unlike certain others (on both directions), I don't (although I'm convinced you and a few others think I do). But it's tough to argue that Envoy seems to have a real penchant for steam-rolling their pilots in ways other carriers don't, far more so then in the past. My original bone was with the claims made about both the anticipated upgrade and flow times, the first of which has been flat out debunked and the latter in serious question.

The rest is virtually all emotional embellishment by those who are frustrated and angry and don't want to hear what may be the reality. They were (and some still are) more blissful in hopeful fantasy, even if it is a mirage. I've long ago concluded many there are simply too far gone and beyond hope, but if there was any agenda, it was geared toward giving those not yet hopeless some foundation to better weather a likely treacherous path should they choose Envoy.

I still keep waiting for you to highlight a single post of mine where I say Envoy will fail or is destined to fail. Not ONE SINGLE POST has ever been offered by you to defend this baseless claim. I understand though.........that's what blind emotion does to people. Anyhoo, I couldn't offer any insight into Endeavor's present actions, because I have no past at its predecessor carrier. Envoy OTOH, seems intent on conducting itself very much like that in its past and gee.............if only more present Envoy pilots would be willing to learn and understand that past, would the present (and likely future) not be such a surprising disappointment ?

But, you can lead a mule to water................

I can say that anyone that isn't 300 or less from flowing would not be making a bad decision leaving Envoy for anything that may be potentially better. Obviously, the legacies and Southwest top the list with LCC's like Virgin, Jetblue and Spirit coming in a close second. Allegiant is certainly bottom tier but there are many things that make it better for anyone with an Envoy seniority number of 600 to 650 or greater while you wait for the legacy or LCC call.

Like a spouse who finds their mate had been cheating on them for years while everyone else knew all along, a few select Envoy guys have the same derangement syndrome of believing that Envoy/AAG will eventually come around and take care of them. This may eventually play out to be true, however it could be much longer than the shunned Envoy pilot is hoping for. Ask those 16 year seniority guys just now flowing.

Haha, I can't believe you're actually throwing out numbers like you know what you're talking about. Admit it. You chose poorly and are bitter about your decision so are now hell bent on seeing envoy fail.

And back to my previous question, how is waiting for that legacy to call going? Any prospects or are you just waiting for them to "see the light!" and give you a shot at interviewing?

Just like Eaglefly, I've never said Envoy is going to fail. They won't. AA likes their cheap feed and they will continue to throw dollars at Envoy and the other wholly owneds to keep them afloat for as long as they can staff them. Delta is throwing money at Republic. Seems that they too are addicted to cheap feed.

You are just a kid who has very little experience with anything other than being a CFI and an Envoy FO. Take a look at what AMR has done in the past. AAG is copying it and in fact has taken to a whole new level. With your limited Envoy experience, you just admitted that yourself in a post today. Talk to some senior guys about to flow and see if they believe that AAG will honor what they have said their plan is. Plans can change.

And that's what I'm saying. Envoy isn't going to fail. AAG isn't going to let it fail. What is in jeopardy though is the Ponzi scheme flow. Just like Bernie Madoff's pyramid money scheme where he ran out of money to keep paying "dividends" to current investors to keep other unsuspecting saps coming in the door, AAG has done the same thing with the flow. It's a carrot to lure people in the door when there aren't enough bodies to replace the guys leaving. Unfortunately, the carrot really isn't working anymore with Envoy's dismal hiring numbers.

I would recommend that you do some research and not just sit back waiting on that flow to carry you away to AA. Yes, it might still happen, but I believe that just as the 2.5 year upgrade has been debunked, the 6 year flow will be as well. You might indeed flow someday, however flowing with 10 to 12 or more years of seniority at Envoy is a real possibility.

Applying to Allegiant might to be a fit for you but I would recommend investigating any and all avenues and not just waiting for Envoy to drop you off AA's doorstep.

I find it funny that you think you know anything about my background or current position at envoy, when you couldn't be further from the truth. Buck up buttercup, maybe that illusive phone call from your legacy of choice will come one day. On the bright side for you, you've been successful in derailing a thread in which I was not selling envoy. Happy?

Back on topic...hopefully both AAG and envoy management will come to their senses and quit the bs games they've been playing as of late. Things have never been perfect here (are they anywhere?) but they've been getting steadily worse since bankruptcy. In a time where pilot's are more of a commodity then ever, it behooves them to do so. Whatever though, I'm out of here relatively soon it's just a shame to see them sabotage the company due to incompetence. As I've said, fixing this place is so easy a caveman can do it!

Just interviewed with PSA. Im giving it thoughts. Some things Im reading here plus what Im seeing on the eagle lounge is hard to swallow.

You'll love it there. I promise.

Well,at least they aren't planning on cancelling summer vacations like envoy is.

envoy is not cancelling any vacations this summer.

You know something Envoy doesn't?

They have in the past at Eagle IIRC and if they don't get enough takers with their latest carrot, you never know. No one can guarantee if that is the only way to cover the schedule, that they won't resort to that.

If not, then most who aren't on vacations will get tagged to pick up the slack with extensions and reassignments galore.

They won't cancel until they must have you to operate their schedule. If there aren't enough suckers that buy into the 300%, then it's a distinct possibility.

You likely made the wrong decision in going to allegiant. The sooner you own that, the better off you'll be.

Your attempts to rationalize it are - well - insufferable.

PM sent.

Good Luck!

300% has been going on for months now at other carriers so it sounds like Envoy is a dollar short and a day late to the party!!!