So, the company would facilitate the uniting of the three WO pilot groups that would ostensibly make them stronger against the their management's and/or AAG ?

In all likelihood, this will occur anyway, but at the behest of the AAG, not three fragmented pilot groups and when all their ducks are lined up. In that case, they would negate any increased strength by a long-term contract that supersedes the present separate contracts (including the Envoy PP) and agreement by all groups to flow at a nominal rate and by seniority, but that seniority will be a by-product of arbitration (SLI). This is what occurred in the past with the BizEx acquisition. As Envoy shrinks, I could see the merger of Piedmont which brings some very senior pilots, but a smaller group EXACTLY like the Simmons/BizEx merger and then run 2 WO's or perhaps merge all three. The other option is to play whack a mole like now by jacking around flying and assets as each carrier shrinks at different rates.

Considering ALL regionals will shrink as the pool of available pilots continues to evaporate (which is already now a puddle), it's not a matter of if, but how fast the AA WO's collapse and then morph. On a related note, AA is in the analysts doghouse with a share price target of a feeble $19 making all those billions in stock buy back lost money and it's becoming increasingly obvious AA may be becoming another house of cards with grossly excessive debt and falling revenue buttressed by bad decisions. It's just my opinion, but hinging your future on AA as THE place to be stability and compensation wise may be a mistake. I think another of the bad decisions in play that has yet to flop is AAG's doubling down on RJ's as opposed to Delta and United moving in the other direction where there are future resources.

We could be in the beginning to middle stages of another trip to the past and AA's past is very troubled indeed.

I second those payrates or go out of business.

Haven't flight instructed many MDs have you.

One. He was a surgeon who owned his own Cirrus. And he was an awful pilot. But he made a good amount of money. He also told me that he made a lot more than average doctors.

You're exactly right. jerry glASS has proven over and over that pilots are a fickle, short-sighted bunch. Dangle a little cash in front of them in exchange for long term concessions and they're on the hook for years to come. Your union is entirely at fault for allowing this garbage to happen over and over.

Aerospace does require an almost comparable level of education and discipline. The problem is that pilots are given a wide latitude of authority and non-supervision allowing them to get intellectually and operationally complacent. Also, it's "easy" when everything goes right. Even then, how often are you breaking requirements? Are you filing bird strike forms every time, are you reporting when you vacate an assigned altitude, are you doing a complete and proper brief every single time, are you using proper callouts every single time without exception, are you dealing with aircraft discrepancies strictly every single time or are you "deferring" them until it's convenient for the company or your commute home, are you turning on anti-ice strictly when the book says to do so, etc....?

You make your money in dealing with abnormal or emergency situations where you are required to do it correctly. This means that you have to have a lawyer level understanding of all the rules and regulations as well as an encyclopedic mastery of your flight manuals in addition to everything you would have learned in an undergraduate aviation degree. If we actually enforced the rules, there would be a gross amount of malpractice (the equivalence of it). So, please don't say it isn't brain surgery or some other analogy like it. If you can't explain supercooled droplets in theory and practice like you would hear in a college science class, then you are dangerous by virtue of academic insufficiency. Demeaning our own profession is a big problem for us which is why regional pilots get treated like garbage (it's their own fault). Act respectable, demand respect, and know everything there is to know. If you think the job is easy, then you are probably complacent or simply inexperienced.

Worthy goal, but you only get what you can negotiate. You have to be ready to literally shut the company down before your no-spicka-da-english guinea pig of a CEO knows what hit him.

Don't sell yourself short. You most certainly can compare yourself with a doctor. It's this kind of attitude that stifles the profession.

The day to day mundane of this job is completely black and white. Right and wrong. I'm not going to post my personal opinions of different peoples characteristics and flying styles. I fly standard. The way the book says to do it. Even if I don't 100% agree with something in there. Because that's what I'm paid to do. So please tell me more about how I'm one of "those guys"...

Notice the VP of Ops public statement still claiming 2.5/5.x. I guess he isn't aware of the lack of new hires and in general, the dumpster fire Envoy has become.