Envoy Pipeline Instructor
 

Anyone that has gone through the envoy pipeline instructor program know if you receive the benefits while you're an instructor working towards your hours (hired by envoy, working for envoy approved flight school) or do you get them when you start training at envoy??

Thanks

You won't actually be able to go anywhere on them or use them at all teaching at a flight school.

That is incorrect. You do get benefits and full travel while at the flight school.

This.

I have a friend that used to travel every two months while instructing with AA benefits.

The only thing is that you can't go into the JS until you're an Envoy pilot.

What do you mean JS? Havent heard that.

And do you know if you get all the other benefits while an instructor or is it just travel?

JS = Jumpseat. You can't ride on it whole traveling, until you start class at envoy. (Usually that Friday is when they activate it)

The other benefit is health Insurance.

You cant ride in the flight deck jump seat.

All employee benefits are available as a Pipeline Instructor including full health coverage, vacation/sick time accrual, 401k retirement and, of course, travel privileges for you, your spouse (or Registered Companion), your dependents, your parents, as well as "buddy passes" for anyone you wish. (These passes are lower priority, space-available passes that costs more than what you'd pay for your parents to travel. Still a decent discount from full-fare, but can be difficult to travel with. The joke is that you give these passes to your in-laws because they'll never make it to your house using them...)

Oh sweet! Yeah I think the "buddy passes" are D3 and the passes we get are D1 or D2 i think.

Say you're engaged, not married. Does the health benefits go just to you since you aren't married or can you select that it goes to your fiancee?

Flight instructors travel as D1&2?

Like everything in life, if you're not married...you're single.

For Travel Benefits you can sign her up as your travel companion. Now she will be using the pass bank that your parents use. (I believe is 12 D2s a yr).

Once you get married and you send the paperwork to the company. She will get unlimited flying and you can sign her up into the health plan.

Yes, they do.

I may be wrong,BUT I think registered companions have unlimited d2. They do apply an imputed one way income. Basically they put a value on the registered companion flying free, like miami to ny might be 55 bucks. Then you pay income tax on it, it's applied to your income as if you were paid it, but your not paid it,but your taxed on it.

Does anyone know what the interview is like for this program?

Just a standard airline interview. PM me for more details

The interview was very straight forward. HR and Technical portion. HR was basically a conversation. Tell me about yourself, tmit when you lead a group, tell me something about yourself not on your app, why are you someone we should hire. 30 min or so. Went back to a room where the other guys went after each portion to await the next..kind of like home base. Next for me was the tech portion. If you study jeppeson plates youll be fine. He pulled out the DFW airport diagram, asked a few questions about the symbols. Went over a simulated flight. Start here on airport diagram..what frequencies to use. Taxi to the intersection, whats the avail t/on distance. Brief departure, brief arrival, read metar, asked can we fly this appriach with this wx? Asked some basic questions after. What is V1,V2? Speed requirements in B,C, and D. Fuel requirements. When you need an alternate. And that was it. 30 min.

After all that. Went back to "home base" and waiting for a bit. Got accepted. Did some paperwork and finger prints and then they give you a voucher for the cafeteria for $12.50.(really good food. $12.50 is more than enough btw).

Study jepp plates and basic ifr stuff. They dont expect you to know everything on the jepps or any 121 regs but they do expect you know all the basic 91 regs. All the interviewers were current envoy pilots. Very relaxed interview. Great group of guys.

Thanks for the info JC. Do you sign a contract that same day they do your fingerprints or how does that work. As far as I know it's a 1 year commitment

Not sure about the whole commitment thing yet. That doesn't really bother me to much, just wanna fly jets and get paid lol. The day of the interview they will either accept or deny you. more than likely accept. you will sign some paperwork and then fingerprints. they give you a conditional offer the day of the interview. this means that you are hired but if the background check comes back bad or they call your previous employers and something goes wrong they don't have to continue with the hiring process. From the conditional offer to the official offer is around 2-5 weeks i think

There are so many reasons not to attach yourself to any of the AA wholly-owned carriers right now. Do some more research. Having flight benefits a couple years early is a silly reason to sign a deal with these guys.

Let me elaborate. What I meant was that you are unlikely to have much time off at any of these flight schools, in order to really be take advantage of the travel benefits. Many of them are 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off. Maybe a few aren't and you could get more use out of them, but even if it's a 5 on 2 off schedule, that doesn't really give you any time to go anywhere and be able to make it back in time if your commute doesn't work out (especially with no jumpseat available).
Also, when I previously looked into this, enrolling in pipeline meant you didn't get the 15k signing bonus. If that hasn't changed... well, $15,000 buys a lot of confirmed seats domestically. It looks like now under a very specific set of circumstances they offer a 10k "scholarship" but again there's a $5000 delta there which would buy a lot of confirmed airline tickets (and you can go elsewhere without putting all your eggs in one basket...)
Food for thought.

Nope. Check your facts before you spew. Better yet, call the recruitment department and ask questions.

Pipeline Instructors, once they start as a First Officer, will receive whatever the current signing bonus is at that time. Currently, that is $15,000.

As far as the travel privileges while being an instructor--I agree with you in that some outfits have you workings 6 days a week. Even with 2 days off, it may be tough non-revving somewhere. The privileges that your spouse (or RC) and family/friends get out of it is good though. There are many cases where the instructor's family used the travel privileges more than the instructor.

Aside from the travel privileges, however, are all the other benefits. Not many outfits provide their instructors with full health benefits, 401k and vacation/sick time accrual. Being a PI also starts the company seniority (NOT pilot seniority) once hired, which determines the amount of vacation/sick time accrual and 401k company contribution amounts.

To be a PI, Envoy requests a 2-year commitment. That can run concurrently with the 2-year commitment for the signing bonus.

Cadet Instructors commit for 1 year.

In addition to JCPearce8's gouge, you can find more at all the interview gouge websites like willflyforfood.com and aviationinterviews.com.

When you do look on those websites, keep in mind the simulator evaluation is currently not being done.

You'll know the same day as your interview if you are given the "pre-offer" of employment. The pre-offer allows recruitment to conduct the background check. Once done, you'll be given the actual "conditional" offer of employment and, if you're already teaching at one of the partner schools, be onboarded into Envoy's system to become an Envoy employee. Total time for that process is usually a few weeks.

If you're not at a partner school, Envoy can help facilitate an interview with a school once accepted into the Pipeline/Cadet Program.

Does anyone know who to contact at Envoy? The guy that handles that at my flight school never gets back to you, it is really annoying. I also emailed some recuriter captain David Streit but never heard back either

972-374-5607 will get you to the office, then can be directed from there.

Or just PM me.

In addition to the travel benefits, you also begin your company seniority ( NOT PILOT SENIORITY). Meaning as an instructor you begin to accumulate your vacation and sick bank just as any FO would. So for the average instructor requiring ~ 12-15 months of flight instructing would essentially show up as a new hire like everyone else on day one but would have potentially 2 weeks of vacation already accrued as well as sick time. For you guys not yet in the industry the airlines generally dont issue an allotment of vacation/sick but it is accrued at X amount of hours a month.
It's not the end all be all, and I wouldn't come here just for that, but it is a nice perk especially for year one.
You also get the exact same health benefits we do as well as 401k with company match. All this stuff is pretty cool in that when I was an instructor I had none of this stuff as many of us did. I wouldn't base my only decision to come here just on these but I'll admit it is nice to have.

You are correct. Registered companions get unlimited D2s and the same 6 D1 allotments as well.

Whattttt. And here I am at AWAC, flying exclusively as American Eagle and Im a D6 as a commuter.

Otherwise you have to pay to be an AAC priority code. Unlike the US Airways days, the American culture seems to be very hostile to the non-wholly owned's.

Because Non-WO are contractors. Sorry if is that way, but I don't understand why people feel entitled to better flight benefits when they are not part of the company. Also this is USAirways management, you have to understand why the AA culture is that way. All of this was imposed by the merger, it is what it is.

The PI are signing a 2yr contract to fly for ENY/PSA/PDT, that's part of the package.

We are ****ed off because we had priority with Airways! We lost priority because the AA pilots and FA's wanted to protect their retiree's benefits. What ever, tired of playing this sick little game, AA was going out of business for a reason.

AA wasn't going out of business. They went BK with more than 2Billions in the bank.

AA was supposed to be stand alone, but AA Pilots and FAs signed a contract with the devil. Then the other creditors pushed for the merger.

Call me crazy but giving a pimply face CFI who hasn't graduated college yet a mainline priority ****es me off as well. It dilutes the value of our benefits greatly. It's bad enough all the WO employees and family get to travel as D2s. You guys don't work for AA, you are too a contractor, no different than AWAC, Republic, etc. for American Eagle flights.

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Does it **ss you off that you and your family are also able to non-rev on any of the WO flights? It's a two-way street.

Apples and oranges.

Also can I non rev on the C172 with the CFI? What pass benefits do they bring?

An AWAC employee has a higher non rev priority on their metal. I'd be fine if it was similar with the WOs. Delta runs their non rev program the same way with Endeavor I believe.

At least we can still book jumpseats.

Technically the three regionals that AAG ownes are not contractors, that would be RJET, SKYW, XJT, etc. American Airlines does not own any regional, AAG is the owner of all three regionals and is also the owner of American Airlines. So AAG ownes four airlines and the employees of AAG all have the same travel benefits. The 3 regionals are not contractors (there are no CPAs) they are just pawns in the AAG family. If you believe you are entitled to higher priority than other employees of AAG then you should try to negotiate it into your next contract.

No one thinks that that we should have a higher priority than mainline OR WO employees. Thats fair.

However with at the end of the US Airways days we, including family, traveled as SD2P or in other words the same as mainline parents (D2P today). I think that was fair.

However, post merger we are AAC which is above D3 but below D2P. Also:

-No access to NRTP or Jetaway

-Must list for American Flights through MyID Travel, which is about the most piece of garbage website in the world.

-Pay $1.58 PER SEGMENT to list on that site. PHL-CLT-DFW? $1.58 x 2 please. We already pay $75 per year + $50 per dependent to have travel benefits with American so that cost per segment is an insult.

And the best for last: NO ONLINE CHECK IN!!! First come first first serve 24hrs prior right? Better go to the airport the day before you vacation to checked in.

At your vacation destination and trying to get home? Better get there early and wait in line behind all the pax at the counter that have to check their 13 58lb bags for a family of 4 so that you and your family can get check in.

Oh...and good luck trying to get an agent in FRA, CDG, etc. to understand that an AAC is an actual non-rev priority code. They will argue that you are on a ZED and will list you as such putting you behind everyone including D3's.

Damn skippy we are ****ed off PilotJ3.

The Irony? If you need a ZED we can no longer use MyId Travel for that now. Have to get a paper ZED from the company at least 5 days prior.

Who do you work for? AA doesn't even have to offer non rev benefits to contract airlines, its all about what your company negotiates.

Well gee, I can drain the O2 on the oxygen, and mr WO or mainline pilot can wait for the next flight too! You check yourself in to ride my airplane, I can't do it on yours. Side of my airplane says American Eagle, flying YOUR passengers, perhaps you don't care about your passengers flights getting cancelled because it is more important that your parents, children, and retirees make it on board to f off somewhere for the weekend, than people making it to work. We had priority, it was taken away from us. You obviously could care less! Hey Mesa, bring us another crappy TA, I am voting YES this time to bring the rest of these bastards down!

AWAC. Were not new been flying under the Us Airways express banner since 2006. Our travel office has repeatedly stated that what we have is what american offered. No negotiations possible. Sorry but bad argument.