Envoy From a Brighter Prespective
 

Hello I am strongly considering Envoy.
I live in Chicago IL, Im 25.
I qualify for R-ATP
4 Year Aviation Degree
Ultimate Career Goal: Legacy Airline

I think Envoy Would be a wise choice.

First Year Pay $26
Second Year Pay $35
New Hire Bonus $15,000
AA Mainline Travel Benefits
AA Flow ( I expect about 10 Years to Flow )
I need ORD base

Upgrade I expect 5years
I think to bid the 145 as the reserve is shorter.


Its all about expectations, what I want is your opinion if my expectations are realistic ?

My other choice would be Skywest - Since that also has a ORD Base


Thank You.

Lets see...

In the last week, the company has fired ANOTHER union leader to try to prevent pilots from realizing how bad things are, and denied another pilot getting one day off for the funeral of a close family member due to low staffing.

Also, Envoy announced that they are not going to open their ORD 175 base.

Yup. Great place to go.

Sounds like you got it all figured out

Wouldnt pilots on the inside know how bad it is. AND yeah low staffing would make me understand why I cant get that day off. YOUR A PILOT you should know you wont be there for family events and emergencies.

If you want ORD, I would seriously take a look into SkyWest over Envoy.... I was in the same position as you about eight months back; Envoy's darkening future did not seem like a wise choice at the time.

Does Envoy not have any provisions for bereavement in their contract?

I mean, if i was the one who got denied i would think that situation would be too emotionally demanding and would render me unfit to fly, but that's just me.

Having been at both your choices, i would say right now OO. 2 year upgrade to ORD. And get on a major asap.. Eagle... Ok. 5 year upgrade..??. Then dont count on the flow. Get your apps out! So 2 more years as captain 1000pic. So 7 years to marketable for a major... Just my take. Take SKW. Upgrade fast, get out... You would be 5 years deep at a major before your flow would even be on the near horizon..

That makes sense. I feel like there is some uncertainty with Envoy and the Flow.

My man, you clearly have a lot to learn. No company, in any industry, no matter how hard up on staffing should be preventing an employee from attending a FUNERAL. "Your(you're) a pilot" is not the end all be all answer to when you need to not be at work.

You clearly have already made up your mind, as evidenced by asking people to tell you only good things about envoy and leaving out the bad. Go ahead and go to Envoy and find out for yourself.

Agreed +1

Source: Attending a funeral tomorrow, got off my trip and could care less about staffing.

I do want people to tell me the good and bad about both companies.

That says a lot about a company that denies you time to go to a funeral. Management will just love you. They're always looking for guys addicted to the kool aid that will do whatever they want. If I have a funeral to attend you won't see me. Plain and simple and if they have a problem with it then tough *******. I'd imagine there is some kind of provision for funerals and bereavement in their contract.

There are provisions for bereavement in the contract. However, it is limited to immediate family only. And knowing how Envoy is, they will absolutely be no give in that. So, maybe that's why the guy got denied. Have an uncle that raised you like a dad your entire life? Tough, not in the contract. That, in and of itself, should tell you all you need to know about this company.

The defenders of all things Envoy should be along shortly to counter these arguments. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't showed yet. What's the old saying. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Yawnboy has flow. As hallow a promise as it is, it could be your golden ticket.

Do we really need a thread for every time someone is applying to the regionals?

I'd expect the flow to be quicker then 10 years but if you hope for the best and prepare the worst, like you're doing, then you're approaching this career correctly.

For those who magically think united, delta, or aa will call when they hit their 1000 tpic...good luck! Let's see, delta is taking a certain amount from endevour (and then military), United is taking a certain amount from commutair and express jet (and then military) and aa is taking a HUGE amount from their wholly owneds (and then military). See a common theme?

daOldMan works at PSA, so no surprise he hates eagle. The others appear to be newbies at Skywest who are clearly in the dark as to the realities of the networking (and a lot of luck!) that it takes to get on with one of the big 3.

As for not getting off for a funeral, ***?! I've been given bereavement leave 3 times in my nearly decade here. No questions asked. Once was unpaid as it was a second uncle and the other two were paid for both my grandfathers. All three instances were extremely easy.

Best of luck to you. You sound like you have a good attitude and are starting this marathon of a career off in the right direction. At only 25, you'll do great.

Want something sobering, My Dads at United like 70% of Express jet pilots I can't pass the Hogan my interview ended there. Now they are barely hiring off the street because of the pref interviews and reduced hours.

My uncle's at Delta, I was told to get a master degree if I wanted an interview.

American is not going to hiring you off the street.

I'll most likely flow in 2019 the last 5 1/2 have extremely sucked at Eagle. In hindsight I made the right call. I want mainline.

6 job fairs 5000 hours, a public ivy college degree, and not a single Skelton in my closet. I volunteer one day a week, I'm in great health, i was student govt president at Rutgers and a great father.

I have 20 recs at United and 7 at Delta and 13 at American.

Stomach that when you pick an airline. I'd pick Envoy.

I'm going to make almost 80k this year as an fo. I hardly work.

I wish people were not so negative but that is impossible. It is what it is. Making a decision is so difficult. Who knows what will happen in the future.

I don't know a single Envoy pilot that would defend this. They should at least accomodate a PE or PO. I don't know the full story either. All I know is that a staffing emergency on scheduling a part does should not equate to a scheduling emergency on my part.:mad:

No, I do not work at PSA. I have friends and relatives that work there, but I do not. My nephew got hired there a little over a year ago.

But, I can tell you that PSA does have "Personal Emergency Days". The first couple are paid, the rest are unpaid. Just call the Chief, tell him/her that you need off for a funeral, and poof - you are off. Same thing goes for a broken hot water heater, a wife's car that is broken down, or any other family emergency.

Just call them and say your emotionallly upset read the union email you can't freaking fly safely after that. We have great resources for you.

Ignore the intimidating crap going on. I personally wouldnt want to be on plane your flying this week. Take care of yourself, they need you next week, trust me they need all of us.

As a 330 hour commercial pilot, I have no dog in this fight. I live in Wisconsin, so this will be a question I'll be asking in about a year or two. But in the mean time, I did just want to say something about the whole funeral thing. To the person who said you're a pilot and you're going to miss things, you're absolutely correct. "Things" being birthdays, anniversaries, dance recitals. Not funerals. I mean I'm in the military and I was excused TWICE within a month for two different funerals, three times within 6 months. No questions asked. Like I said. I have no dog in this fight, and I have absolutely zero experience with Envoy. But I'd like to think they'd be at least (if not more so) accommodating than the military....

How can you make 80K as an FO at envoy ? if the pay cap is 4yr FO $40 hr.

Yeah that is so true all you said, I truly believe its next to impossible to get hired at mainline without a LCA, Test Pilot, and 6 Moon Landings.

I think you have to have 3 shuttle landings on an aircraft carrier to get the call now.

Average 4-6 year fo pay has been about 50k, add in 10k bonus, I have 2 referrals so 10k more. Then 200% ot. I'm clearing 100 hours monthly.

Don't forget for fo we have min ot credit 3.54hr any day you have any ot your getting at least 3.54 straight pay. A Moline CDO as ot pays almost 8 hours. Milk the cow man.

What about the guys that never did the military ? What about Us are we out of luck for a Mainline career ? is the Flow the best bet ? Or should I go to Skywest Get TPIC and then put in my app along with other 10,000 applicants for a mainline ?

Also my pay isn't capped yet but that's a minor few dollars an hour.

This is a troll thread. I am calling it.

Forget being an FO or waiting for upgrade. This comment makes it clear that you're a natural choice for a direct-entry hire into a Chief Pilot position here at OO (or any regional.) You sound exactly like OO's chief pilot for LAX and FAT...and I do mean exactly. Combine that with a bad case of short-man syndrome and a physical inability to be separated from your hat, and you might actually be him!

You were a human being a long time before you were a pilot....you have to prioritize. my own experience at Envoy was pretty good, and they were quite accommodating for the few times I needed bereavement leave.....but that was then. I've heard that recently things have changed. Go into it with your eyes open and your priorities in order.

Envoy From a Brighter Prespective
 

Oh man, the spelling in this thread makes my head hurt.

He's not paycapped. Pay caps are for people hired after December 2014. Heck I'll be close to 65k and I fly the minimum plus some 5-10hrs of OT if I can every other month.

That plus retention bonus its enough.

I've been to two job fairs, both Delta Recruiters told me that I'm a Tier 1 pilot and no interview yet.

Just as I predicted. The thread started going negative and voila, a couple of Envoy cops show up, flash their badges and start doing damage control.

I've been to two job fairs, both Delta Recruiters told me that I'm a Tier 1 pilot and no interview yet.[/QUOTE]


You believe them!!!! You are way too naive.

So now what ? I have not really got a good answer.

Figure it out yourself . If you want to make 25 an hour while everyone is paying 37-40 an hour . It doesn't take a genius to figure out a sign on bonus that big means that no one is going there .

Actually Envoy had a class of 11 start two weeks ago, and another 16 start today. Ask yourself if you want short term higher pay per hour or long term career potential.

Wow, 26 in 1 month? That upgrade/flow should be here in no time.:rolleyes: