lol, that would be the end of Envoy.

No I don't think so. Envoy has a good business plan and they are all in for the long term. Just look at the fact they are hiring a bunch of older guys with previous 121 experience that they know will stick around until they either retire or flow. They have the backing of AA and a savvy CEO that is tied to AA so they are not going anywhere. Market dyamics right now, nobody really knows but I think anyone going to Envoy right now should be in a good place.

Lol
/filler

Flow metered starting Jan 2023. In emails. Mgmt has gotten complacent and fat off DECs

Meanwhile all the guys I went to flight school with who went to OO are posting selfies with their AA CJOs in envelopes

I bet Delta and United would be happy to have you.

I already have one foot out the door but I’m still incensed by this news.

Pfftt. Envoy has a good business plan??? Yes, they have the backing of AAG. It was their money that got all the WOs the raises. Nothing Envoy did on its own. They have always been reactive and the corrections they make are usually too late to have a positive impact and in fact often are so far out of sync they do more harm than good. This is exactly what stifling the flow will do.

While some of the DECs currently being hired may want to be lifers, I think a significant number will bail before two years. Since Envoy has also chosen to basically shut off any cadets and non DEC hiring, many of those are choosing to go elsewhere. There’s going to come a time again in the near future where Envoy doesn’t have captains AND no FOs to upgrade.

You must be a troll. There is no reason, at all, to come to Envoy.

Our union touted enhancements, well let’s look at them

Pay-temporary while most competitors got permanent
long call- 2 lines, which means none
trip/duty rigs- start in January while PDT had min day start in June
flow - 8-9 years, which is worthless

CS absuses us, our union has no backbone, blatant contract violations galore with no repercussion.

why would anyone come to envoy?

We shall see. This has been a long time coming and every pilot has benefited.

4 per month may not seem like much but everyone should do this:

Whatever time to flow you thought you had before today, multiply that by 1.2. That’s a pretty significant difference even if you’re kinda close.

dude. Really? Spirits 75% green is the same as the idiotic red/redder? You think those majors have the same reserve rules and work rules as envoy? You’re either really dumb, RW, RN, or just a troll.

What’s the bigger picture??

We actually know how to make the SID crossing restrictions off of 22L in ORD

Sad day for the Envoy pilot group. Just when I thought management was coming around. I hope everyone attempts to speak with their feet. Get those apps out. Seniority is everything and all of ours at AA just took a big hit. Get out of here and let it burn. You might be surprised how little experience you need to get a call from UA or DL. It’s a race to decimate each other’s WO.

Aren’t people beating down the doors to apply, people waiting for months to get a class? If they are metering flow, it just doesn’t seem necessary with applications stacked high.

this will only cause people to bail and cause less people to apply. Why did they say this was necessary, does it affect the other two WOs?

20 a month down to 16 now?

I do too?? Lol

Attacking other people on a forum because your management screwed you over? Weird flex, but okay

That’s what you call an attack? Came off like a joke to me.

I am not going to engage in stupidity so stop it.

Every pilot that decides to go to their airline of choice is doing so because it is in their best interest.

Jokes are funny. That was just stupid.

Save it for the company.

Is that for the two thin skinned guys that don’t work here or is it for the rest of us making fun of them?

Management is just following the CBA. They do that when it is convenient for them.

It's specifically directed at you of course

lol
/filler

They will leave
 

I honestly thought that Envoy was starting to pull out of their controlled decent into terrain. Flying with people from January to May and all anyone would talk about is the CJO that they got from DAL, UA, or SW. We were net loss 100 per month back then. Then they announced the money, the people with CJOs left anyway but a new breed of pilots started to emerge. From July until now this new group would say, “I’m making good money. I’ll flow in 1 to 3 years. I’m just going to wait for the flow.” I am predicting that with a reduced flow, making every line 4 four day trips a month at best, and now making almost everyone work weekends. The cockpit conversations will shift back to how quickly people can make their exit.
The company actually had a good thing going and they were starting to meet the goal of keeping people until their flow. We don’t have as many pilots around as we used to but I have faith that Envoy can make it hard enough enough to work here, (despite the pay) that we can get a few more months of 100+ pilots lost in a month. This isn’t a legacy, playing scheduling games before contract negotiations for PBS will have a different, longer lasting, detrimental effect than it is doing at Mainline before their chapter 6 negotiations. The pilot group here isn’t accruing AA seniority and they are still looking for their seniority at a legacy.

- asks for the big picture
- gets the big picture
- is upset with the big picture

im surprised they haven't declared SCC for the rest of the month in DFW. What gives

They moving to fix reserve rules to make life better like Piedmont just did?

you know better than that

Should also know better than to believe something in a recruiting advertisement.

Looks like fish aren't taking the bait unless it is 3X the incentive. A sweet turn has been in open time for a while now, no one’s biting.

Definitely the case. But if there are reserves a plenty that can fly that’s all the company cares about.

As more 145 pilots make the switch, obviously more 175 pilots to fill the ranks.

Forty DCLs added last month but the latest bid will redistribute a lot of those to ORD, just in time for them to decrease their line count as DFW’s increase.

Still a lot of moving pieces in the Spring as Mesa goes away and the unknown date for the 145s to be gone. Air Wisconsin picking up flying, PSA’s DFW base and ENY’s PHX base.

But me thinks the days of high dollar OT are mostly gone.

Yeah I see those reserve numbers, somehow they manage to 0 out almost daily.