In her defense some of the printers that we use for paperwork suck ass. My younger-ish eyes occasionally run into issues reading it.

Because they have a printout of exactly what to say. I'd say the majority of them can read, but there are a few special exceptions.

Humm can you jumpseat in the 145? In the cockpit??

Jumpseat? Yes. Comfortably? No.

Yeah they are supposed to read the "happy chat" which gives all that information but as others have stated, if one already has issues reading clearly our printers often exasperate the issue. Or they were a moron, anyone's guess.

Or just saying something dumb b/c no one listens anyway.

This.


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American outside the flow
 

Can someone please tell me if its possible and what the pros and cons might be to being an envoy pilot and applying to American outside the flow. Thanks

If you're asking this question then you already have a pretty low chance of getting hired, if any, outside the flow. Guys that get hired pretty much know they will before they apply. You have to row with the other guys untill your turn. Still if the majors will hire as much as they say they will it's going to be a free for all the next decade.

...apply and you'll know the answer!!!

Your chances are zero and none outside the flow. Envoy is the place you want to be. It's where you will get the fastest upgrade and flow. You'll be onboard with AA as soon as you set foot on property at Envoy.

I personally know at least 10 Envoy pilots that have gotten hired outside of the flow. And there have been others that have gotten hired outside the flow that I don't personally know. Both CAs and FOs. They all had something that set them apart that got them hired off the street. Some were interns, some were military, some had family connections, and some were females. If you don't have some kind of connection like those I just listed, you won't have much of a shot. In the current hiring environment, you have to be a flowthrough or you have to have something special to get you in the door. In a few years when the retirements really take off, that could change. But right now, don't expect just a college degree and a ton of jet PIC time to be your ticket to get you hired off the street. Flows and military pilots make up the vast majority of those hired right now. The rest are former interns or have friend/family connections.

Not all true. Unlike the PP group, one misunderstanding with the CPO could result in a letter in your file not allowing you to flow.

And anyone at envoy knows it just takes sneezing wrong and boom, Step one letter.

I don't know it offhand or I would've PM'ed you, but it is in your FM-1.

This isn't correct. One does not get a mainline seniority number until after one flows. While waiting to flow, hundreds or thousands will get hired in ahead of you off the street.

What is the current competitive minimums for getting hired off the street? Military guys get hired pretty quick, well, after their commitment to Uncle Sam. What is that at now? Something like 8 years. Or he could go the regional route. What are those guys getting hired at? Second or third trip after their FO IOE? No, 7,000 to 8,000 hrs total time with around 4,000 of PIC. How many hours a year does the average regional pilot fly? Somewhere around 800 hrs a year. Getting that 8,000 hrs is going to take a while.

Kind of off topic, but looks like the union might be gearing up for a fight with management over benefits provided to envoy flows in regards to company time. Long story short, when the grievance settlements were agreed to with AMR, eagle flows would be eligible for inter-company transfer benefits. AAG, in their infinite cheapness and general disdain for us, decided to end that. So all sick time is "use it or lose it", vacation accrual starts over just as if you are a new-hire, and all associated bidding rights in regards to company seniority will start over upon your flow to American. This was not the case under the company formerly known as AMR.

Just food for thought for those considering coming to envoy (or any other WO) for the flow. Yes you will flow at some point, I don't really doubt that, but just keep in mind how AAG treats their WO pilots and how you can expect to be treated for the entirety of your career if you choose to stay for the flow.

I wouldn't count on any changes. Besides ALPA generally being ineffective, the wording of letter 12-02 is weak.

LMGTFY

1st site (talkairline) has all you hopes and dreams!?!?!

I always see "military gets picked up" comments but has anyone seen that apply to rotor guys or just military fixed wing?

Fixed wing. That's why the Envoy rotor transition program has gotten so popular. It's made it possible for those guys to get into the 121 world.

Alright trigger happy Envoy flow defender. Next time slow down and read his question and maybe you can give an appropriate answer. He was asking does AA hire Envoy pilots outside of the flow.

AA has hired pilots outside of the flow. Number one reason (IMO) guys get hired outside the flow is due to internships. Others have been hired but I haven't heard of anyone lately. Some people might suggest people of certain minority groups likely get hired, but I think it may have more to do with having connections and knowing someone. Anyone know anyone who got hired through the front door at AA via Envoy?

Agreed it is weak. The point is that AAG made a change which hurts our future earnings and QOL. This in a time when they are making fake "goodwill" gestures to certain pilot groups. Perfect example is down at the training center. Envoy management could give 2 sheets about anybody who has a substantial time invested here, but they will throw all sorts of swag at new-hires. The thing that the new-hires don't realize is that once they hit the line, the honeymoon wears off and they are treated like any other line pilot getting their arsed kicked on reserve.

That being said I'm just giving new-hires a glimpse of the bed they're about to get in. I'm flowing soon so have made up my mind that I'm staying . Whether we hire 20/month or 70/month, I don't think my time-to-flow really changes so I couldn't really care less how many new-hires we get or not.

Count on pilots using their hard earned sick time before they flow. Guess they'll have to build that into the staffing models.

Exactly what will happen and I don't blame anyone for doing that. They earned that time as a benifit of the contract.

I've got another thing to add about how to bid transition. Once your line comes out, you have 24 hours to change your selection on transition. So once you see what line you got, you can decide at that time if selecting transition will help or hurt you and act accordingly.

This also applies to vacation sliding and DTS. Wait and see what line you got, and then make your changes with what works best for you.

What kind of internships can a current pilot get over at AA ?

That would severely damage that HI10. Company should punish those that do.

For utilising part of their compensation package?

What compensation package? The way that it was explained to me the only thing the preferential pilots take to AA are their employee number.

No sick nor vacation time.

Unless they changed it within the last couple of months this is incorrect. I thought you could do what you are saying with Transition but you can not. I forgot to select Y on transition and emailed S&D within the 24 hours. Their response was we have to work with is on the mask. Which makes no sense seeing you can wait for the prelim and then email them with you DTS or Slide request

Wouldn't be the first time scheduling was wrong.

This post doesn't work as sincere or as trolling. You're just clueless.

Which is why the company should be prepared for when these guys burn it up at the end. They've earned it, so why shouldn't they use it if they are sick?

Funny thing is if they offered to pay it out at the end I bet a lot of people would avoid calling in sick.

But then greedy pilots would also want to keep their vacation as well and we just can't have that.... can we?

They pay out unused vacation. May as well pay out unused sick time too. But I agree we are too greedy haha.

Wow, today I learned. Sorry for the bad advice OP. Hope you can change your bid to reflect what you want. I always just assumed you could switch it, but I've never had to. I usually default to selecting yes for the pay protection.

Bid help
 

Still a noob. Just finished ioe and just in time to bid for June. Any apps out there that are recommended to navigate the bid packet with? Any help would be appreciated.
Also, does anyone know what "dfp" means on my schedule. That's all I see on cci right now. Again, thanks.