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SpinTwo 12-05-2019 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Av8tor8710 (Post 2934486)
Praise Jesus.

Yep, wishing a commute from hub to hub on your fellow crew member is real funny.

Where do you think all those people senior to you will go?

Av8tor8710 12-05-2019 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by SpinTwo (Post 2934517)
Yep, wishing a commute from hub to hub on your fellow crew member is real funny.

Where do you think all those people senior to you will go?

Yea, that’s exactly what I’m doing. *sarcasm* to help you sense the tone a little better.

DownInPetaluma 12-06-2019 02:58 AM


Originally Posted by SpinTwo (Post 2934517)
Yep, wishing a commute from hub to hub on your fellow crew member is real funny.

If more bases are wound down expect continuing exodus. Commuting in/out of those hubs is already a nightmare.

Rotor2prop 12-06-2019 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma (Post 2934629)
If more bases are wound down expect continuing exodus. Commuting in/out of those hubs is already a nightmare.

It's almost like the strategy is to try to force out the top third of the seniority list by making them as miserable as possible if they really do close a couple of the bases in 2020.

DownInPetaluma 12-06-2019 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 2934654)
It's almost like the strategy is to try to force out the top third of the seniority list by making them as miserable as possible if they really do close a couple of the bases in 2020.

I’m sure they’d love to but they want to grow the fleet and are resorting to street captains? If they were smart they’d stabilize what they have. They risk losing more FOs than captains, IMO— they have nothing to lose by defecting to another regional and would get a nice payout for doing so.

Rotor2prop 12-06-2019 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma (Post 2934661)
I’m sure they’d love to but they want to grow the fleet and are resorting to street captains? If they were smart they’d stabilize what they have. They risk losing more FOs than captains, IMO. They have nothing to lose by defecting to another regional and would get a nice payout for doing so.

I agree! Its like they want to have their cake and eat it too. You can guarantee that lots of change is on the horizon for the United Express flying given the hiring next year, the 550s conversion idea, pending scope negotiations, and so on. I really think 2020-2021 is going to be a wild ride for the airline industry especially if the economy holds.

I think ExpressJet is experiencing what Endeavor pilots have in the past complained about. The "mothership" is making the business decisions on a day to day basis with almost zero communications on what the future holds(because they don't really know at this stage). Remember how long they were strung along about GoJets flying.

DownInPetaluma 12-06-2019 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 2934679)
I agree! Its like they want to have their cake and eat it too. You can guarantee that lots of change is on the horizon for the United Express flying given the hiring next year, the 550s conversion idea, pending scope negotiations, and so on. I really think 2020-2021 is going to be a wild ride for the airline industry especially if the economy holds.

I think ExpressJet is experiencing what Endeavor pilots have in the past complained about. The "mothership" is making the business decisions on a day to day basis with almost zero communications on what the future holds(because they don't really know at this stage). Remember how long they were strung along about GoJets flying.

Sure, they will shuffle everything whilst never getting a grip on the one thing that matters: hiring and retaining pilots. It’s almost as if they aren’t aware of the scope of the issue and the contractors are afraid to admit the problem (much less actually do anything meaningful about it).

SpinTwo 12-06-2019 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma (Post 2934702)
Sure, they will shuffle everything whilst never getting a grip on the one thing that matters: hiring and retaining pilots. It’s almost as if they aren’t aware of the scope of the issue and the contractors are afraid to admit the problem (much less actually do anything meaningful about it).

Why will street captains want to come here unless they live in IAH? Seems like a small crowd they’re trying to attract? With EWR severely downsizing or shrinking along with CLE and ORD very senior it leaves IAH unless we get a DEN base...

Envoy offers $55k+ in bonuses to go to the left seat.. will they offer the same or better here?

DownInPetaluma 12-06-2019 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by SpinTwo (Post 2934710)
Why will street captains want to come here unless they live in IAH? Seems like a small crowd they’re trying to attract? With EWR severely downsizing or shrinking along with CLE and ORD very senior it leaves IAH unless we get a DEN base...

Envoy offers $55k+ in bonuses to go to the left seat.. will they offer the same or better here?

Very good Qs. I don’t see a whole bunch of folks from the North suddenly interested in clamoring for a commute or move to TX.

Alternatives abound— that’s the beauty of the pilot market right now.

Southern Fried 12-06-2019 04:34 PM

Heads up: They just changed the dates for the ILIW and January bidding. New date for the ILIW is Friday the 13th! Holy cow. Line holders, check your schedule for the 13th.

ILIW: Initial Line Improvement Window. For line holders...


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