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Bluesteal 07-08-2019 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by Puck Hawg (Post 2849034)
So, UA and the company string along the pilot group for years about a “new and improved” CPP, with Greg Woolley telling people to their face in crew rooms that a flow was “imminent”, and UA rolls out this POS?

What a slap in the face to the hard working folks that stuck it out and tried to make XJT a better place. What a dumpster fire that joint has turned into.

Wooley telling people that a flow is imminent? haha shocking he would say something like that to people... if I was in a casino right now and I had to bet if Xjt would get a flow or not, I would put every penny I had on Xjt not getting a flow. Wooley used to be one of us, it's amazing what a management position will do to you LOL

drywhitetoast 07-08-2019 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Bluesteal (Post 2849466)
Wooley telling people that a flow is imminent? haha shocking he would say something like that to people... if I was in a casino right now and I had to bet if Xjt would get a flow or not, I would put every penny I had on Xjt not getting a flow. Wooley used to be one of us, it's amazing what a management position will do to you LOL

I guess you could say he pulled the Wooley over the pilot group's eyes.

queso 07-08-2019 12:54 PM

I once witness him tell someone on a rolled day that the company was not rolling any days at the moment. Boy was he surprised! Sometimes I think he's just as in the dark as the rest of us...

georgiaflyer 07-09-2019 07:20 PM

I've heard the "flow" contract is already signed and sitting in a drawer somewhere. It's a matter of time before it's announced but XJT has to have its personnel in place to make it work. They first need to fully staff XJT before they can start flowing pilots to United. What interest would United have in buying ownership in XJT is they weren't going to utilize the XJT pilot pipeline?

John Carr 07-09-2019 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by georgiaflyer (Post 2850460)
I've heard the "flow" contract is already signed and sitting in a drawer somewhere. It's a matter of time before it's announced but XJT has to have its personnel in place to make it work. They first need to fully staff XJT before they can start flowing pilots to United. What interest would United have in buying ownership in XJT is they weren't going to utilize the XJT pilot pipeline?

Did you hear that from a guy that had someone convinced he was capable of performing medical procedures on a kitchen table?

As well as a host of other tall tales?

boyracer 07-09-2019 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 2848845)
If I’m reading the “dependability” list right, a doctors note does not exempt a sick call from the 4 in 12 with respect to the CPP. Only FMLA.

A doctors note only excuses you from disciplinary action from the company. Am I understanding this incorrectly?

That is an interesting one to explain. So united may wish to remove you from a program for attendance for an attendance event that is under protected status at your current employer? I hope someone puts out some clarification for that. I have a lawyer friend who is dying to take a whiff of that.

andili61 07-10-2019 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by georgiaflyer (Post 2850460)
I've heard the "flow" contract is already signed and sitting in a drawer somewhere. It's a matter of time before it's announced but XJT has to have its personnel in place to make it work. They first need to fully staff XJT before they can start flowing pilots to United. What interest would United have in buying ownership in XJT is they weren't going to utilize the XJT pilot pipeline?

So United only wants to offer a flow when we're fat on pilots. If you see the company directory there are only 650 active pilots between captains and FO's. 179 captains and FO's on "L" status. Finally, people hired this year, or with seniority starting January 2019 including those already flying plus new hires on training are 224. We should be 325 pilots hired in 2019 by now. So if XJT wants to fly 125 ERJ's 145, and 25 175's we need solid 1500 pilots. Were are barely able to staff 70 airplanes as it is. I always thought that the flow plan, if it's true, would be to attract pilots in a cheaply manner, otherwise why would United have a flow in place?

Bluesteal 07-10-2019 07:18 AM

There is no need for a flow... The whipsaw will always continue in the regional industry. In about a month or so Ual will announce another 40 175's going to XJT, Mesa contract will expire shifting planes over to Xjt and the bottom half of Mesa seniority list to leave Mesa for XJT, we are our own worst enemy. The whipsaw will always remain! Sad, but true.

DBono 07-10-2019 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Bluesteal (Post 2850698)
There is no need for a flow... The whipsaw will always continue in the regional industry. In about a month or so Ual will announce another 40 175's going to XJT, Mesa contract will expire shifting planes over to Xjt and the bottom half of Mesa seniority list to leave Mesa for XJT, we are our own worst enemy. The whipsaw will always remain! Sad, but true.

I think you're right about the long term strategy, but I think it will take a long time to play out. The thing Mesa has that XJT doesn't is a large stable of 175 pilots who are ready to fly tomorrow. It's going to take a long time for XJT to hire and train enough people to staff the 30 175's that are coming available for re-assignment now/soon. Mesa owns 18 of the 175's they are flying for UA out of IAH. 12 of the others have agreements in place through Dec 2023. So there are 30 that could be considered "in play" in the near term. Considering that more new 175's at XJT might just be replacing large CRJs from the UA fleet, I don't think the Mesa 175's are going anywhere soon, assuming Mesa can staff them.

Texxx 07-10-2019 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by andili61 (Post 2850670)
So United only wants to offer a flow when we're fat on pilots. If you see the company directory there are only 650 active pilots between captains and FO's. 179 captains and FO's on "L" status. Finally, people hired this year, or with seniority starting January 2019 including those already flying plus new hires on training are 224. We should be 325 pilots hired in 2019 by now. So if XJT wants to fly 125 ERJ's 145, and 25 175's we need solid 1500 pilots. Were are barely able to staff 70 airplanes as it is. I always thought that the flow plan, if it's true, would be to attract pilots in a cheaply manner, otherwise why would United have a flow in place?

Boy you haven't figured it out yet? You have 68 LRs and 29 XRs. They are transferring the XRs to C5 and gonna park the LRs and use those pilots to fly 175s.

XJT has the pilots for the 175s.


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