Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2890183)

Scope connected to wide body Jets is on the table. Pilots may get somewhere with that and UA may get some scope relief.

Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2890183)

Scope connected to wide body Jets is on the table. Pilots may get somewhere with that and UA may get some scope relief.

Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2890280)

Dream on. Everyone I talk to is a solid No vote

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2890380)

I’ve heard people say the same thing about previous scope-relaxing contracts. No one wants to admit it publicly but that extra boat is just too good to pass up....

Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2890396)

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But what you forget is the large influx of regional pilots at the legacies who saw what scope does to career progression. Then the folks that were furloughed while the regionals hired like crazy. It’s a different world now.

Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 2882219)

sorry, not my intent. It was to get people to think outside the box, anticipate what kind of things may be coming down the pipe. Maybe someone on here inadvertently comes up with an idea that could work.

Good thoughts so far everyone, just trying to think of possibilities mgmt could be kicking around. They want more large rj's, is there anything preventing them from saying ok- we'll give you your new 100 seater, get our large rj's, and then we're going to park the entire 757/767 fleet, shift the domestic 777's to international to cover some of that international flying and JV/Codeshare out the rest of the international flying (becoming more like DL- a domestic-ish airline). Drinking beer and watching football that workaround took 10 seconds to think of, imagine what MBA’s and lawyers who get paid to do this can think of. So the unintended consequence of forcing them to buy a NSNB, (maybe during the next downturn, maybe before) is all of those 756 guys bump down to the 737 & airbus and the 737/airbus guys get bumped to the NSNB. In this scenario, the unintended consequence of protecting your pilot job is that you are stuck in a much lower paying job now. So now do you wish you had created some outside the box solution to protect the total number of mainline airframes/widebody airframes/narrowbody airframes...etc. that let mgmt use 700's&319's instead of forcing a NSNB on them? I'm not saying anyone on here knows for sure if this kind of thing is going on, but i'd bet my 401K that mgmt has multiple of these type of options mapped out at their disposal. Don't want anyone to fall for some heads I win, tails you loose shenanigans.

I guess my overarching point is that if you're not thinking ahead, you're already behind........ or whatever chess vs. checkers, where'd my wallet go? saying you like

Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2890661)

Above was posted by a United pilot. This is for the pilots who believe Scope is not for sale. United management wins either way. JVs will do more to harm mainline pilot careers.

Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2890809)

The union publicly started they want to tie scope to narrow AND wide bodies. You’d be a fool to think it will happen without some give on quantity.

Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2891090)

Management has the leverage in Scope talks.

Originally Posted by SureJetz (Post 2891163)

Do explain?