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dera 08-22-2019 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2874320)
The Envoy MEC says hold my beer... though if there was a battle royale for the title, then the ENY and XJT MECs probably would be the last two standing.

Your Envoy hate is cute, but honestly, the only thing they told us during the AIP fiasco was to keep acting like a professional, do your jobs and let them handle the arguing.
Nothing like this vomit XJT MEC posted.

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2874540)
Your Envoy hate is cute, but honestly, the only thing they told us during the AIP fiasco was to keep acting like a professional, do your jobs and let them handle the arguing.
Nothing like this vomit XJT MEC posted.

Someone gets it

DirkDiggler 08-22-2019 01:07 PM

This MEC understands the art of leverage for once. Expose some truths to drive pilots away and keep new hire numbers low and you have some real bargaining power. The deal was signed and sent out for a membership vote with a clear understanding they would come back to the table shortly after the spinoff, they did not. Letter 2. It’s as simple as that, black and white. United posted a $1.1 BILLION dollar profit in Q2 alone. It’s time to say FUPM. Keep up the good work XJT MEC.

BusBoy88 08-22-2019 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2874555)
This MEC understands the art of leverage for once. Drive pilots away and keep new hire numbers low and you have some bargaining power. The deal was signed and sent out for a membership vote with a clear understanding they would come back to the table shortly after the spinoff, they did not. Letter 2. It’s as simple as that, black and white. United posted a $1.1 BILLION dollar profit in Q2 alone. It’s time to say FUPM. Keep up the good work XJT MEC.

Someone gets it

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2874555)
This MEC understands the art of leverage for once. Drive pilots away and keep new hire numbers low and you have some bargaining power. The deal was signed and sent out for a membership vote with a clear understanding they would come back to the table shortly after the spinoff, they did not. Letter 2. It’s as simple as that, black and white. United posted a $1.1 BILLION dollar profit in Q2 alone. It’s time to say FUPM. Keep up the good work XJT MEC.

Easy to say for a senior pilot. You have nothing to lose when new hires stop coming. For junior pilots when the hiring stops we get stuck. The tactic favors one part of the pilot group at the expense of another. Poor leadership and very unprofessional.

DarkSideMoon 08-22-2019 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874557)
Easy to say for a senior pilot. You have nothing to lose when new hires stop coming. For junior pilots when the hiring stops we get stuck. The tactic favors one part of the pilot group at the expense of another. Poor leadership and very unprofessional.

Temporarily stuck. It’s called building leverage. When enough flights cancel due to staffing management would pony up more cash. You’re thinking incredibly short sighted.

When did “professionalism” become synonymous with bending over and taking it from management?

BusBoy88 08-22-2019 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874557)
Easy to say for a senior pilot. You have nothing to lose when new hires stop coming. For junior pilots when the hiring stops we get stuck. The tactic favors one part of the pilot group at the expense of another. Poor leadership and very unprofessional.

Telling the truth about what's actually happening to the pilots out on the line is poor leadership and unprofessional? It's actually the exact opposite. You'd rather keep prospective pilots in the dark as long as it keeps them coming to Xjt so you "don't get stuck". At least you admit your motives though. Keep painting that rosy picture Baghdad Bob.

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by BusBoy88 (Post 2874559)
Telling the truth about what's actually happening to the pilots out on the line is poor leadership and unprofessional? It's actually the exact opposite. You'd rather keep prospective pilots in the dark as long as it keeps them coming to Xjt so you "don't get stuck". At least you admit your motives though. Keep painting that rosy picture Baghdad Bob.

Going on record as painting things in the worst possible light in an attempt to keep new hires away. Several things in the email are intentionally misleading. Not professional. Again who signed the contract and how long ago was that? Poor leadership. Unprofessional tactics.

DarkSideMoon 08-22-2019 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874560)
Going on record as painting things in the worst possible light in an attempt to keep new hires away. Several things in the email are intentionally misleading. Not professional. Again who signed the contract and how long ago was that?Poor leadership. Unprofessional tactics.

Having been privy to some of this type of stuff in the past, things may have been promised verbally before the contract was signed and then walked back later. Not every aspect of the deal is what is actually in the text of a TA.

Unprofessional tactics? This union/company relations in aviation are a barroom brawl, not a fencing tournament. And management has a very large friend in the corner in the form of the RLA. Hit when you can as hard as you can.

BusBoy88 08-22-2019 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874560)
Going on record as painting things in the worst possible light in an attempt to keep new hires away. Several things in the email are intentionally misleading. Not professional. Again who signed the contract and how long ago was that? Poor leadership. Unprofessional tactics.

Unprofessional tactics? Lol, how high up in management are you? ALPA is really getting to you with that communication they sent out! Anyone who has been at XJT for any length of time knows that there isn't anything misleading in that email.


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