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DirkDiggler 08-21-2019 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2873883)
Is this an actual comm from the union?

Yes, it sure is.

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2873883)
Is this an actual comm from the union?

Yes, we literally have the most unprofessional union leadership in the entire industry.

ninerdriver 08-22-2019 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874317)
Yes, we literally have the most unprofessional union leadership in the entire industry.

The Envoy MEC says hold my beer... though if there was a battle royale for the title, then the ENY and XJT MECs probably would be the last two standing.

PhantomHawk 08-22-2019 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874317)
Yes, we literally have the most unprofessional union leadership in the entire industry.

Is anything they wrote untrue?

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2874341)
Is anything they wrote untrue?

That’s not what I said. There is a big difference between untrue and unprofessional.

Some of it is not so much untrue as just overly dramatic. Acting like our training delays are unique to ExpressJet being one example.

Another example being the focus on low hourly pay rates and totally disregarding the EQO. I’d rather have it all hourly but saying we have the lowest rates in the industry is an attempt at conveying we have the lowest pay in the industry. That IS untrue.

I don’t need to go into detail here. If you can’t figure it out then go on social media and rant about it in a public fashion. Then try to figure out why you can’t get a call back for a job later. Point being there is a time and place as well as a defined channel for grievances and such.

Not all ExpressJet pilots wish to be represented with that tone. Definitely not open to the public like that.

I shouldn’t have to define professionalism.

Lebron 08-22-2019 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874386)
That’s not what I said. There is a big difference between untrue and unprofessional.

Some of it is not so much untrue as just overly dramatic. Acting like our training delays are unique to ExpressJet being one example.

Another example being the focus on low hourly pay rates and totally disregarding the EQO. I’d rather have it all hourly but saying we have the lowest rates in the industry is an attempt at conveying we have the lowest pay in the industry. That IS untrue.

I don’t need to go into detail here. If you can’t figure it out then go on social media and rant about it in a public fashion. Then try to figure out why you can’t get a call back for a job later. Point being there is a time and place as well as a defined channel for grievances and such.

Not all ExpressJet pilots wish to be represented with that tone. Definitely not open to the public like that.

I shouldn’t have to define professionalism.

I agree with that sentiment. They agreed to this contract and sold it to us as a good deal. The company won this round so I wouldn’t expect much until Contract talks can start sometime in 2021.

BusBoy88 08-22-2019 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874386)
That’s not what I said. There is a big difference between untrue and unprofessional.

Some of it is not so much untrue as just overly dramatic. Acting like our training delays are unique to ExpressJet being one example.

Another example being the focus on low hourly pay rates and totally disregarding the EQO. I’d rather have it all hourly but saying we have the lowest rates in the industry is an attempt at conveying we have the lowest pay in the industry. That IS untrue.

I don’t need to go into detail here. If you can’t figure it out then go on social media and rant about it in a public fashion. Then try to figure out why you can’t get a call back for a job later. Point being there is a time and place as well as a defined channel for grievances and such.

Not all ExpressJet pilots wish to be represented with that tone. Definitely not open to the public like that.

I shouldn’t have to define professionalism.

I think it's refreshing that the XJT MEC finally shows some balls. What's wrong with getting the other side of the story out in the open about what's really going on at XJT? Management mislead ALPA and the pilot group to get the deal signed in a hurry to get the 175s. They made a deal and now refuse to honor their end of it.

What's wrong with getting the truth from the pilots that are actually flying the line? The vast majority of the pilots are going to have 12 days off or less a month. You're going to be reassigned constantly on trips as a reserve pilot and as a line holder. The trips you bid and are awarded basically mean nothing because every time you come thru IAH, ORD, or EWR there's a high probability you'll be getting reassigned to something else. The recruiters love to tell you about the decreased upgrade time. I'm sure they fail to give you the details about how once you upgrade and are on reserve you'll probably be spending more time in the right seat than in the left seat. It's double the fun when you can be reassigned to both left and right seat (this won't suck for your quality of life at all). How about the stories from the people who are having TBDs placed on their schedule for not answering their phone to accept a reassignment when they aren't even phone liable? Or maybe some of the stories from the 10-20 folks who passed the hogan, the interview, were accepted into the CPP, met all attendance and reliability requirements, and then were turned down during their final review for no apparent reason and with no explanation? I wouldn't exactly call that a "direct path to United Airlines" or whatever they put on the recruiting propaganda these days. I'm sure there are plenty of other interesting stories from those pilots that are actually out there flying the line at XJT. Great information for prospective applicants so they can be fully informed before they make a decision about their flying future.

mking84 08-22-2019 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874317)
Yes, we literally have the most unprofessional union leadership in the entire industry.

Grow a pair. It absolutely isn't. Ive got news for you, management has declared WAR on the pilots and guys like you make it easy. Declare WAR on the company or be defeated.....again.

DarkSideMoon 08-22-2019 12:19 PM

Lol. What’s disrespectful about exposing the underhanded tactics management uses to keep profit high at the cost of pilot QOL? There was a time in America where managment could be your friend, but that passed a decade or two ago for most places. You’re a number on a spreadsheet and if they could literally enslave you they would.

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 2874517)
Grow a pair. It absolutely isn't. Ive got news for you, management has declared WAR on the pilots and guys like you make it easy. Declare WAR on the company or be defeated.....again.

Go ahead and make it personal. I’ve got news for you, the Union negotiated and signed the contract. In the grand scheme of things the ink has barely dried.


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