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branfordboater 08-22-2019 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2874555)
This MEC understands the art of leverage for once. Expose some truths to drive pilots away and keep new hire numbers low and you have some real bargaining power. The deal was signed and sent out for a membership vote with a clear understanding they would come back to the table shortly after the spinoff, they did not. Letter 2. It’s as simple as that, black and white. United posted a $1.1 BILLION dollar profit in Q2 alone. It’s time to say FUPM. Keep up the good work XJT MEC.
Diggler is spot on. I love when guys brand new to this industry think they know it all. I'm proud to have our MEC finally speaking the truth, calling out the B.S. and trying to improve our contract that is lagging in countless ways. Keep it up XJT MEC!

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2874561)
Having been privy to some of this type of stuff in the past, things may have been promised verbally before the contract was signed and then walked back later. Not every aspect of the deal is what is actually in the text of a TA.

Unprofessional tactics? This union/company relations in aviation are a barroom brawl, not a fencing tournament. And management has a very large friend in the corner in the form of the RLA. Hit when you can as hard as you can.
Well maybe this time we can hold off on signing anything until deal IS done

branfordboater 08-22-2019 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874568)
Well maybe this time we can hold off on signing anything until deal IS done
Were you even on property when this deal was negotiated, voted on, and signed?

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by branfordboater (Post 2874573)
Were you even on property when this deal was negotiated, voted on, and signed?
No. And I’ve been up front about that.

DarkSideMoon 08-22-2019 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874576)
No. And I’ve been up front about that.
So you’re probably not even off probation yet and you’re complaining that pilots who have been there for years trying to find leverage might mildly inconvenience you for a few months?

branfordboater 08-22-2019 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874576)
No. And I’ve been up front about that.
So maybe before you talk such a tough game, learn some history. You probably wouldn't be on property right now if that deal hadn't gone down. For better or worse, it was the deal that had to be done at the time. I was a reluctant yes voter, my first yes vote. We did it it to get rid of skywest, our only shot at survival.

SureJetz 08-22-2019 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874576)
No. And I’ve been up front about that.
No you aren't. You're a junior reserve captain that sucks major amounts of cool-aid. You've been in the crew room endlessly complaining about the union emails pushing new hires away. You don't speak for the pilot group. Period.

BA.

SureJetz 08-22-2019 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2874576)
No. And I’ve been up front about that.
This isn't a new hire. He's a junior reserve captain that wants people behind him to improve his QOL. He constantly complains about the union e-mails in the crew room because it's pushing new hires away. He has an agenda and much of it comes back to him. Typical pilot.

branfordboater 08-22-2019 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by SureJetz (Post 2874588)
This isn't a new hire. He's a junior reserve captain that wants people behind him to improve his QOL. He constantly complains about the union e-mails in the crew room because it's pushing new hires away. He has an agenda and much of it comes back to him. Typical pilot.
Junior reserve captain would have been here for the last vote??

DoSomePilotStuf 08-22-2019 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by SureJetz (Post 2874588)
This isn't a new hire. He's a junior reserve captain that wants people behind him to improve his QOL. He constantly complains about the union e-mails in the crew room because it's pushing new hires away. He has an agenda and much of it comes back to him. Typical pilot.
Regardless what anyone thinks of me, the argument falls on deaf ears. New hires have friends at the airline and they all tell them these Union emails are BS. So really at the end of the day the emails are so radical they only serve to divide the pilot group.


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