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DoSomePilotStuf 08-05-2019 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by FlyRight2876 (Post 2865214)
Sure, without getting into ageism or anything divisive or rude. Most of the older pilots in that range have been out of the industry or never in the industry and have been flying small planes around for years with little to no flight instruction given or dual pilot situations.

Additionally, it's no surprise that as we get older it becomes more difficult to learn and/or adapt to new training as people get stuck in their ways and are less sharp as they age.

This is not true with everyone and much of success in training (both ground, sim and IOE) depends on someone's effort put forward. This is true with any age group. Young and older.

United, Delta and American target most people in the mid to upper thirties to early 40's with turbine PIC time. If you have a problem with that you should ask their HR department about it.

I don’t care what anyone’s opinions are of the guys moving me up in seniority. Bring them all. I’m completely on board with it.

And are you really comparing XJT with the other carriers you just mentioned? Is that because that’s how you see yourself? Bwahahahahaha!!!!

FlyRight2876 08-05-2019 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2865221)
I don’t care what anyone’s opinions are of the guys moving me up in seniority. Bring them all. I’m completely on board with it.

And are you really comparing XJT with the other carriers you just mentioned? Is that because that’s how you see yourself? Bwahahahahaha!!!!

Keep troll'in. If that's how I saw myself I'd be at Skywest (Baby Mainline!) ;-)

I don't even need to compare XJT to the mainlines. Just take a look at the likes of Envoy, PSA, Endeavor, Republic, Skywest, etc. They successfully get many of the career oriented folks. The recently graduated career guys/gals choose a place with flow, pay, work rules and lots of modern air frames (E-175). They have their pick of the litter.

DoSomePilotStuf 08-05-2019 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by FlyRight2876 (Post 2865228)
Keep troll'in. If that's how I saw myself I'd be at Skywest (Baby Mainline!) ;-)

I don't even need to compare XJT to the mainlines. Just take a look at the likes of Envoy, PSA, Endeavor, Republic, Skywest, etc. They successfully get many of the career oriented folks. The recently graduated career guys/gals choose a place with flow, pay, work rules and lots of modern air frames (E-175). They have their pick of the litter.

You can head that way any time. Doesn’t SkyWest still have the program where they will match your longevity?

flynd94 08-05-2019 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by FlyRight2876 (Post 2865214)
Sure, without getting into ageism or anything divisive or rude. Most of the older pilots in that range have been out of the industry or never in the industry and have been flying small planes around for years with little to no flight instruction given or dual pilot situations.

Additionally, it's no surprise that as we get older it becomes more difficult to learn and/or adapt to new training as people get stuck in their ways and are less sharp as they age.

This is not true with everyone and much of success in training (both ground, sim and IOE) depends on someone's effort put forward. This is true with any age group. Young and older.

United, Delta and American target most people in the early to mid thirties to early 40's with turbine PIC time. If you have a problem with that you should ask their HR department about it. Will leave it at that.

As someone who has done IOE on folks ranging from 25 to 59 you are making a huge generalization.

I had 25 yr old IOE students struggle just as a 55 yr old. It all comes down to recently of experience and background.

I can also tell you (from personal experience) that since February the new hires are outstanding. Most are completing IOE in under 40 hrs.

FlyRight2876 08-05-2019 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2865326)
As someone who has done IOE on folks ranging from 25 to 59 you are making a huge generalization.

I had 25 yr old IOE students struggle just as a 55 yr old. It all comes down to recently of experience and background.

I can also tell you (from personal experience) that since February the new hires are outstanding. Most are completing IOE in under 40 hrs.

That's wonderful news. As I said, much comes down to effort put fourth and recency.

airlinepilot50 08-06-2019 04:13 AM

Is anyone at United paying attention to the type of pilots C5 is hiring? I noticed last week, pilots that didn’t shave in over a week. Most of them look unprofessional. Everyone that I talk to that has jumpseated in the cockpit has some horror story about their experience. I hope there is not a merger plan in the works with XJT.

Bluesteal 08-06-2019 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2865464)
Is anyone at United paying attention to the type of pilots C5 is hiring? I noticed last week, pilots that didn’t shave in over a week. Most of them look unprofessional. Everyone that I talk to that has jumpseated in the cockpit has some horror story about their experience. I hope there is not a merger plan in the works with XJT.

No merger between the two. UAL seems to be setting up the same type of deal that AA has. Own a few regionals and keep them separate. C5 will be the 145 operator and Xjt will be the 175 operator.

FlyRight2876 08-06-2019 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Bluesteal (Post 2865807)
No merger between the two. UAL seems to be setting up the same type of deal that AA has. Own a few regionals and keep them separate. C5 will be the 145 operator and Xjt will be the 175 operator.

This^ The more operators the better. Compass and GoJet was just notified today that Delta flying is gone. So GoJet will be "exclusive" to United and likely get the CPP. That and Compass is said to be bidding on 20 175's for United so add another regional to the frey to scrap it out.

Delta is leading the way with only 3 regionals. Endeavor, Skywest & Republic.

airlinepilot50 08-06-2019 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by Bluesteal (Post 2865807)
No merger between the two. UAL seems to be setting up the same type of deal that AA has. Own a few regionals and keep them separate. C5 will be the 145 operator and Xjt will be the 175 operator.

ExpressJet has the best E145 operation in the industry and United either does not grasp that simple fact or doesn't care. Safety has never been a priority for United regional partners. C5 had a crash landing this past winter and United rewards them more flying. :)

airlinepilot50 08-06-2019 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by FlyRight2876 (Post 2865823)
This^ The more operators the better. Compass and GoJet was just notified today that Delta flying is gone. So GoJet will be "exclusive" to United and likely get the CPP. That and Compass is said to be bidding on 20 175's for United so add another regional to the frey to scrap it out.

Delta is leading the way with only 3 regionals. Endeavor, Skywest & Republic.

Whipsaw alive again!

Lebron 08-06-2019 11:55 AM

All eyes are on United

Arliss 08-08-2019 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2865825)
ExpressJet has the best E145 operation in the industry and United either does not grasp that simple fact or doesn't care.

Both. Literally both. What I've learned from two years in the UAX system: they're too incompetent to know it and if they did, they wouldn't care. Their reaction to Colgan made it very clear they only care about cheapness. Safety is a distant second and passenger experience isn't even on the radar.

FlyRight2876 08-08-2019 08:01 AM

Exactly this^ They like a lot of cheap feed and go the plausible deniability route to safety. Mesa and Commutair being a perfect example.

NovemberBravo 08-08-2019 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by FlyRight2876 (Post 2867005)
Exactly this^ They like a lot of cheap feed and go the plausible deniability route to safety. Mesa and Commutair being a perfect example.

Whoa we at Mesa didn’t crash a plane

jacburn 08-08-2019 06:42 PM

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What is that old saying? People in glass houses? Does Mesa or C5 have a real airplane as a cabin trainer?
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Jungedrache 08-08-2019 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by jacburn (Post 2867353)
What is that old saying? People in glass houses? Does Mesa or C5 have a real airplane as a cabin trainer?
Attachment 4629

Oh yes! The only difference is we didn’t crash it... it was pulled from the desert

Startcrying 08-08-2019 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Jungedrache (Post 2867354)
Oh yes! The only difference is we didn’t crash it... it was pulled from the desert

Wait. Isn’t that the same plane that XJT ran off the runway at Houston in December?

DoSomePilotStuf 08-08-2019 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Startcrying (Post 2867360)
Wait. Isn’t that the same plane that XJT ran off the runway at Houston in December?

It says Continental Express on the side. You figure it out

jacburn 08-08-2019 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Jungedrache (Post 2867354)
Oh yes! The only difference is we didn’t crash it... it was pulled from the desert

Wrong

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19980211-0

Startcrying 08-08-2019 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2867366)
It says Continental Express on the side. You figure it out

Oh you right. Prob sameone from jacburns link. So many accidents to pick from with XJT.

jacburn 08-08-2019 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Startcrying (Post 2867372)
Oh you right. Prob sameone from jacburns link. So many accidents to pick from with XJT.

Yep. One of the original ftd’s was also from that plane. But glad to know that xjt is so perfect with their record. :rolleyes:

DoSomePilotStuf 08-08-2019 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Startcrying (Post 2867372)
Oh you right. Prob sameone from jacburns link. So many accidents to pick from with XJT.

Yes that’s probably the one. No passengers were on board and for some reason they were out doing V1 cuts in the actual plane. I guess that was common practice at the time? Seems crazy to me but that’s what they were doing.

Jungedrache 08-08-2019 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by jacburn (Post 2867367)

I meant the CRJ200 that Mesa has as cabin trainer, was pulled from the desert.... that 145 was totaled

airlinepilot50 08-09-2019 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by jacburn (Post 2867374)
Yep. One of the original ftd’s was also from that plane. But glad to know that xjt is so perfect with their record. :rolleyes:

United mainline crashed planes too.

molitvic13 08-09-2019 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2867375)
Yes that’s probably the one. No passengers were on board and for some reason they were out doing V1 cuts in the actual plane. I guess that was common practice at the time? Seems crazy to me but that’s what they were doing.

It’s before they even had simulators. Everything was done in the real plane


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