Yo-Nited CPP
 

The CPP is the biggest Horse Plop to make slaves of poor SAPs!

The Plop worked for me.:rolleyes:

Guess you’re not a SAP!

Indeed it is. I'll tell you though, life isn't too bad outside of the United septic tank, once you crawl out and smell the fresh air.

The air is fresh, but the grapes are SOUR!

Haha... It's all about perspective. :)

1 August 2019

I hear the CPP is undergoing a major overhaul. When will we hear something? Will we get a flow to United?

The Career Pathway Program (CPP) is an agreement between ExpressJet Airlines and United Airlines. ExpressJet ALPA has not, at any point in the life of the CPP, been allowed to participate in any meaningful discussions with anyone in control of the CPP. While the Association's contributions would likely benefit ExpressJet, United, and ExpressJet pilots, input from the Association has continually fallen on deaf ears. The XJT MEC has no indication of what the future of the CPP will look like, however the company's use of the program as a threat to attempt to reduce legitimate sick calls and to hire pilots under false pretenses does not likely foreshadow an improved CPP on the horizon.

I came to ExpressJet recently for the CPP. I saw online on ExpressJet Recruiting's social media accounts that thousands of pilots have moved to United via the CPP. Now I'm seeing that the CPP is a sham. What's up with the company's bogus claims about the CPP?

ExpressJet management is unable to attract pilots by virtue of providing a competitive contract and career advancement opportunities to pilots, so they have resorted to outright lies to boost their hiring numbers. ExpressJet's claim that the CPP is a "direct path to United" is anything but accurate, as the vast majority of ExpressJet pilots who have been unsuccessful in the program can testify. In February 2016, when the CPP was announced, there were 2,050 pilots on the ExpressJet seniority list. Thus far, fewer than 350 pilots have moved to United via the CPP, or only 17% of the total number of pilots on property when the CPP was announced. In addition, the total number of pilots at all UAX CPP carriers who have progressed to United via the CPP is around 500; no where near the "thousands" the company has claimed.

Look for more frequently asked questions to be addressed soon. In the meantime, please display your Deal's Not Done gear to help us send a loud, clear message to management that we expect them to finish the job they began. THE DEAL'S NOT DONE!

Well said, but we are dealing with United the new ULCC who’s shady
business practices reflects the corrupt city its headquartered in!

And you wonder why you failed the Hogan or interview......

Flynd94,

It appears you have a tendency to defend United over Expressjet pilots. Why?

I have (Xjet pilot myself on LOA) who passed and failed the CPP. I get tired of my fellow pilots blaming everyone. Yes some DB’s made it through the process but for many of us it was the only way into UA.

There are guidelines to the CPP and there not hard to follow. I had sick calls, got a doctors note. Stayed out of the CPO unless I was there to assist another pilot. Updated my app monthly, did union work and professional development to show I wasn’t satisfied with the status quo. Also to make myself more marketable to other companies.

All of the motivated pilots I know who didn’t make it through the CPP are at JB, DAL, UPS, FEDEX, SWA and Spirit.

Get busy living or get busy dying

I get it that you have a dislike for pilots that complain. It’s best to keep it to yourself and not give ammunition to the likes of United. It’s about standing together collectively as a pilot union. You and even I do not know every pilots situation that causes them to complain, call in sick, be different, and not be liked by others. But, we know that they are responsible for flying your family and United’s passengers. United should be supportive of their non-mainline pilots if they honestly cared about safety and customer service.

I’m just gonna throw this out there... You say to stand united as a pilots union. I want to put something in perspective.

The reason new hires come to a regional, any regional, is to build time and move on. New hires coming to XJT right now are 95%+ of the opinion that the company is growing, that they are in on the front end of a hiring wave and that growth will lead to faster upgrades and that we will be hired at the majors after a few thousand hours at XJT.

The only way we are on the front end of a wave is if hiring continues. When union supporters or union leaders come on here and tell potential recruits how bad it is and how they should not come here, it works against why we are here to begin with. When you make that decision, it is YOU who is dividing the pilot group.

We are all prepared to make $3 per hour less than other regional pilots and have a rolled day off here and there. We have the mentality that we are here to make a few sacrifices and move on to better QOL down the road.

Now, we are all on board with having better QOL during our short time at XJT. We are fully supportive of the senior pilot group and their quest for better QOL, to a point. When you rant and rave about how terrible the company is and how horrible management is in an effort to discourage pilots from coming here, you lose our support. PERIOD

We all know pilots who are out flying the line not only at XJT but at other regionals as well. Those on here complaining are definitely the minority. By a very wide margin.

So please, wear your lanyards, be angry, get mad and complain standing around in the crew room, whatever. But understand trying to make a public spectacle about how bad things are at XJT and how everyone hates it here is not only false, it is divisive. You are the ones creating the divide.

I wonder how many folks gave up other opportunities, and seniority at worthwhile carriers while the people at United were busy with their circle jerk trying to get this program going. My decision to stick it out cost me at least a few hundred thousand dollars, and a delayed upgrade now. No love lost though, since the CPP left me with such a bad taste in my mouth that I'd rather take a job at Home Depot than ever fly a blue waffle tail for a living. A lot of people I know feel the same way.

And if you passed up other opportunities shame on you! My game plan was whoever gave me a class date first.

I hope you are working on an effective exit plan. Delaying upgrade is never a smart move. The days of waiting for your base of choice or ability to hold a line are gone. Legacy carriers want to see career progression.

He flies for Atlas.

No, it’s people like you hurting our airline. You really don’t get it, do you? I said we need to be supportive of our pilot group and help them succeed. I also said United has a role in supporting our pilots through career advancement. Why don’t you believe all of our pilots deserve respect and support?

I was dropped on my head as a child

Thanks for admitting that.

I was also beaten regularly and locked in a dark closet for days

We can tell you have no fight in you. Stop crying about our pilots not giving into management.

You sound so powerful. Is it your turquoise lanyard that instills this aura of greatness?

Nope, it’s the fact that people here are underpaid, overworked and have no attachment to the mainline partner. They are sick and tired of being beaten down. United ruined a lot of good will with the CPP (17% success rate) and they refuse to negotiate letter 2 which they promised to do. The pilot group agreed to the accelerated negotiations in order to get the 175 program up and rolling in record time.

Funny how they scrutinize our pilots about “integrity” but can’t even uphold that value themselves. Promises were made and not kept!

Adding some 175’s won’t fix the multiple issues here which are lower pay, bad QOL and no real movement from the top which stagnates things horribly (not easy fix).

The issues here are not easy fixes but United/Expressjet doesn’t even seem to be attempting a fix in any way. They will continue to watch things deteriorate.

People are just done, lanyards have nothing to do with it.

Where does the 17% number come from? Is that an actual verified statistic?

It’s the number that have successfully navigated the CPP out of the total that were here when it was announced. Calling it a success rate is somewhat misleading

Is that number from the Union, the company or UA?....

Union

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Who, exactly, is “we”?

The guys who are in a hurry to build time and move on. You know, those folks you don’t want to ride in the back with. The ones “ruining the QOL at the regionals.” See the divide here chief?

It would be nice to see some improvement in the efficiency of trips. I see a lot more soft time and short flying days than expected. This is not every day or most days, and many pilots would find a light schedule like that attractive. Some want as much soft time or shortest days possible.

Example: 1 hour flight, 4 hour sit, and 1.5 hour deadhead. For the day. I actually was at work for 6 and a half hours, but only flew 1 and was paid for 4.

Trip and duty rigs would inventivise the company to give efficient and productive trips. Efficient trips would mean more time off for pilots (but busier days at work), or same time off and more block/credit. Everyone profits.

The schedulers are great people who work hard, this is no disparagement to them.

Building hours is fine and dandy, but rolled days off, sub-par pay, etc. isn’t the way to get there. Everyone on 12 days off or fewer isn’t the way forward, either.

Pilots aren’t as plentiful as they were, and you need a solid company first to incentivize some or many to hang around, as unpalatable as that may sound. Stability is going to win this race , not hourly chaos with minimum staffing and high turnover.

What this man said^ The other two have figured have figured that out and are reducing their feeders and improving the quality of the operation. That also includes the quality of pilot candidates. We are hiring many 55+ yr olds who may make it through training or not.

Basically, if you have a pulse and the others turned you down. Try Mesa or Expressjet.

Nobody in my class is 55 or older.


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I know know two folks who’ve gotten turned down by XJT within this past year. They had a pulse, might have been a weak one though 🤷*♂️

K, 50 or older.

Seeing as how I’m the most senior, you’re still over a decade off.


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Your facts don’t fit his rhetoric

Care to explain this? Sounds like a comment that assumes older pilots are worse.

Sure, without getting into ageism or anything divisive or rude. Most of the older pilots in that range have been out of the industry or never in the industry and have been flying small planes around for years with little to no flight instruction given or dual pilot situations.

Additionally, it's no surprise that as we get older it becomes more difficult to learn and/or adapt to new training as people get stuck in their ways and are less sharp as they age.

This is not true with everyone and much of success in training (both ground, sim and IOE) depends on someone's effort put forward. This is true with any age group. Young and older.

United, Delta and American target most people in the early to mid thirties to early 40's with turbine PIC time. If you have a problem with that you should ask their HR department about it. Will leave it at that.