Atp-ctp
08-26-2019, 01:19 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
Is the Gleim still around? I literally memorized the whole question bank. Was very easy.
09-05-2019, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
That’s what Sheppard is now. FAA stopped publishing the test bank so companies like Gleim no longer have access to it. Sheppard sends test takers in to steal the questions and publish them. Then charges a premium for the info. In fact, the FAA just changed the question bank a little over a month ago. It only took Sheppard a couple of weeks to catch up. Companies like Gleim still publish test prep materials but the questions are from 10 years ago or more.
Do pay attention to Sheppard's special explanations - there are a handful of questions that are either missing needed information or are being scored incorrectly by the FAA. Sheppard warned about one of them, but I thought the FAA had fixed the question. WRONG! It was a simple perf chart question and I'm 100% sure I gave the correct answer, but it was scored wrong, JUST LIKE SHEPPARD SAID! Do as Sheppard says and invest the time and you'll score in the 90's.
09-05-2019, 02:10 PM
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More comments on ATP/CTP for XJT at ATP in DFW.....
1st, to reiterate, there is nothing you are really tested on during this class, so there is nothing to prep for. All of your prep attention should be focused on the ATP written, which you'll take the day after the ATP/CTP class. And a reminder, the ATP/CTP class does not prepare you for the ATP written.
Class size might be small (mine was 4 people) or 40-50 people. While I was there a class of 56 started. Mostly a mix of regional new hires from XJT, RPA, Envoy. A few Pt91/135 folks thrown in.
7 days total, going over weekends and holidays. 4 days class, 3 days sim.
4 days of death by ppt and video. Told my wife she'd already seen half the videos as many of them are snippets taken from youtube, "Air Disasters" and "Why Planes Crash". Good material, esp for those of us new to high altitude and air carrier ops. But the delivery makes it a little boring. ATP has a nice facility for it, though. IP was a retired SWA CA and lots of great discussion. There is a 35 question written at the end of the class time, but you are not given a grade and cannot fail it. You take the test and then correct anything you missed real-time. Nothing to stress about or study for.
3 days of sims, split into 5 "sessions", but they typically combine 2 sessions when they can. They provide some prep material for the sims, but don't spend much time on it (prioritize the Sheppard prep unless you are well along on Sheppard). You are not tested on anything in the sims, and the IP is not going to report on how you did. There is no time to really prep for the sims and the purpose is to expose you to new concepts vs test you or evaluate your skills.
1st 2 sims (4 hrs total) are in a CRJ200 trainer that does not move, but is otherwise very realistic. Ours was taught by an XJT CA (Former ASA) who was out on med leave. Great guy, great advice on entering the pt121 world. These two sessions were really focused on ops and how the FMC is key. 4 hrs total, I was told you can log as dual, but not total time toward ATP mins. That fact that we had not yet seen the remaining sim sessions left us feeling that these sessions were really cool and enjoyable.
2nd set of 3 sims (6 hrs total) is in full motion sims at a 3rd party site, but taught by ATP IPs. Some combination of B737-800 and A320 sims. I was originally scheduled for 2 sessions in the 737 and one in the A320, but it was changed to all 737. Others spent all 3 sessions in the A320. These sims are about exposing you to high altitude stalls, mach buffet, certain AP modes, hand-flying approaches, etc. We got to roll the 737 and fly a HUD assisted approach to Cat IIIB mins (HUD makes it a cake walk, even the flare/landing). See the differences in braking between a dry and wet runway (hydroplaning demo). The full motion sim sessions were great and the time flew by. You can log the 6 hours as flight time toward ATP mins if needed. Again, this is not an evaluation, just exposure and learning.
Overall it was well worth the ~$5K that XJT spent on me! Just open wide and consume the material. There's nothing to stress over (except studying for the ATP written in the off hours).
1st, to reiterate, there is nothing you are really tested on during this class, so there is nothing to prep for. All of your prep attention should be focused on the ATP written, which you'll take the day after the ATP/CTP class. And a reminder, the ATP/CTP class does not prepare you for the ATP written.
Class size might be small (mine was 4 people) or 40-50 people. While I was there a class of 56 started. Mostly a mix of regional new hires from XJT, RPA, Envoy. A few Pt91/135 folks thrown in.
7 days total, going over weekends and holidays. 4 days class, 3 days sim.
4 days of death by ppt and video. Told my wife she'd already seen half the videos as many of them are snippets taken from youtube, "Air Disasters" and "Why Planes Crash". Good material, esp for those of us new to high altitude and air carrier ops. But the delivery makes it a little boring. ATP has a nice facility for it, though. IP was a retired SWA CA and lots of great discussion. There is a 35 question written at the end of the class time, but you are not given a grade and cannot fail it. You take the test and then correct anything you missed real-time. Nothing to stress about or study for.
3 days of sims, split into 5 "sessions", but they typically combine 2 sessions when they can. They provide some prep material for the sims, but don't spend much time on it (prioritize the Sheppard prep unless you are well along on Sheppard). You are not tested on anything in the sims, and the IP is not going to report on how you did. There is no time to really prep for the sims and the purpose is to expose you to new concepts vs test you or evaluate your skills.
1st 2 sims (4 hrs total) are in a CRJ200 trainer that does not move, but is otherwise very realistic. Ours was taught by an XJT CA (Former ASA) who was out on med leave. Great guy, great advice on entering the pt121 world. These two sessions were really focused on ops and how the FMC is key. 4 hrs total, I was told you can log as dual, but not total time toward ATP mins. That fact that we had not yet seen the remaining sim sessions left us feeling that these sessions were really cool and enjoyable.
2nd set of 3 sims (6 hrs total) is in full motion sims at a 3rd party site, but taught by ATP IPs. Some combination of B737-800 and A320 sims. I was originally scheduled for 2 sessions in the 737 and one in the A320, but it was changed to all 737. Others spent all 3 sessions in the A320. These sims are about exposing you to high altitude stalls, mach buffet, certain AP modes, hand-flying approaches, etc. We got to roll the 737 and fly a HUD assisted approach to Cat IIIB mins (HUD makes it a cake walk, even the flare/landing). See the differences in braking between a dry and wet runway (hydroplaning demo). The full motion sim sessions were great and the time flew by. You can log the 6 hours as flight time toward ATP mins if needed. Again, this is not an evaluation, just exposure and learning.
Overall it was well worth the ~$5K that XJT spent on me! Just open wide and consume the material. There's nothing to stress over (except studying for the ATP written in the off hours).
09-06-2019, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DBono
More comments on ATP/CTP for XJT at ATP in DFW.....
1st, to reiterate, there is nothing you are really tested on during this class, so there is nothing to prep for. All of your prep attention should be focused on the ATP written, which you'll take the day after the ATP/CTP class. And a reminder, the ATP/CTP class does not prepare you for the ATP written.
Class size might be small (mine was 4 people) or 40-50 people. While I was there a class of 56 started. Mostly a mix of regional new hires from XJT, RPA, Envoy. A few Pt91/135 folks thrown in.
7 days total, going over weekends and holidays. 4 days class, 3 days sim.
4 days of death by ppt and video. Told my wife she'd already seen half the videos as many of them are snippets taken from youtube, "Air Disasters" and "Why Planes Crash". Good material, esp for those of us new to high altitude and air carrier ops. But the delivery makes it a little boring. ATP has a nice facility for it, though. IP was a retired SWA CA and lots of great discussion. There is a 35 question written at the end of the class time, but you are not given a grade and cannot fail it. You take the test and then correct anything you missed real-time. Nothing to stress about or study for.
3 days of sims, split into 5 "sessions", but they typically combine 2 sessions when they can. They provide some prep material for the sims, but don't spend much time on it (prioritize the Sheppard prep unless you are well along on Sheppard). You are not tested on anything in the sims, and the IP is not going to report on how you did. There is no time to really prep for the sims and the purpose is to expose you to new concepts vs test you or evaluate your skills.
1st 2 sims (4 hrs total) are in a CRJ200 trainer that does not move, but is otherwise very realistic. Ours was taught by an XJT CA (Former ASA) who was out on med leave. Great guy, great advice on entering the pt121 world. These two sessions were really focused on ops and how the FMC is key. 4 hrs total, I was told you can log as dual, but not total time toward ATP mins. That fact that we had not yet seen the remaining sim sessions left us feeling that these sessions were really cool and enjoyable.
2nd set of 3 sims (6 hrs total) is in full motion sims at a 3rd party site, but taught by ATP IPs. Some combination of B737-800 and A320 sims. I was originally scheduled for 2 sessions in the 737 and one in the A320, but it was changed to all 737. Others spent all 3 sessions in the A320. These sims are about exposing you to high altitude stalls, mach buffet, certain AP modes, hand-flying approaches, etc. We got to roll the 737 and fly a HUD assisted approach to Cat IIIB mins (HUD makes it a cake walk, even the flare/landing). See the differences in braking between a dry and wet runway (hydroplaning demo). The full motion sim sessions were great and the time flew by. You can log the 6 hours as flight time toward ATP mins if needed. Again, this is not an evaluation, just exposure and learning.
Overall it was well worth the ~$5K that XJT spent on me! Just open wide and consume the material. There's nothing to stress over (except studying for the ATP written in the off hours).
1st, to reiterate, there is nothing you are really tested on during this class, so there is nothing to prep for. All of your prep attention should be focused on the ATP written, which you'll take the day after the ATP/CTP class. And a reminder, the ATP/CTP class does not prepare you for the ATP written.
Class size might be small (mine was 4 people) or 40-50 people. While I was there a class of 56 started. Mostly a mix of regional new hires from XJT, RPA, Envoy. A few Pt91/135 folks thrown in.
7 days total, going over weekends and holidays. 4 days class, 3 days sim.
4 days of death by ppt and video. Told my wife she'd already seen half the videos as many of them are snippets taken from youtube, "Air Disasters" and "Why Planes Crash". Good material, esp for those of us new to high altitude and air carrier ops. But the delivery makes it a little boring. ATP has a nice facility for it, though. IP was a retired SWA CA and lots of great discussion. There is a 35 question written at the end of the class time, but you are not given a grade and cannot fail it. You take the test and then correct anything you missed real-time. Nothing to stress about or study for.
3 days of sims, split into 5 "sessions", but they typically combine 2 sessions when they can. They provide some prep material for the sims, but don't spend much time on it (prioritize the Sheppard prep unless you are well along on Sheppard). You are not tested on anything in the sims, and the IP is not going to report on how you did. There is no time to really prep for the sims and the purpose is to expose you to new concepts vs test you or evaluate your skills.
1st 2 sims (4 hrs total) are in a CRJ200 trainer that does not move, but is otherwise very realistic. Ours was taught by an XJT CA (Former ASA) who was out on med leave. Great guy, great advice on entering the pt121 world. These two sessions were really focused on ops and how the FMC is key. 4 hrs total, I was told you can log as dual, but not total time toward ATP mins. That fact that we had not yet seen the remaining sim sessions left us feeling that these sessions were really cool and enjoyable.
2nd set of 3 sims (6 hrs total) is in full motion sims at a 3rd party site, but taught by ATP IPs. Some combination of B737-800 and A320 sims. I was originally scheduled for 2 sessions in the 737 and one in the A320, but it was changed to all 737. Others spent all 3 sessions in the A320. These sims are about exposing you to high altitude stalls, mach buffet, certain AP modes, hand-flying approaches, etc. We got to roll the 737 and fly a HUD assisted approach to Cat IIIB mins (HUD makes it a cake walk, even the flare/landing). See the differences in braking between a dry and wet runway (hydroplaning demo). The full motion sim sessions were great and the time flew by. You can log the 6 hours as flight time toward ATP mins if needed. Again, this is not an evaluation, just exposure and learning.
Overall it was well worth the ~$5K that XJT spent on me! Just open wide and consume the material. There's nothing to stress over (except studying for the ATP written in the off hours).
Thank you for taking the time to help others out with such detail!
09-06-2019, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DBono
More comments on ATP/CTP for XJT at ATP in DFW.....
1st, to reiterate, there is nothing you are really tested on during this class, so there is nothing to prep for. All of your prep attention should be focused on the ATP written, which you'll take the day after the ATP/CTP class. And a reminder, the ATP/CTP class does not prepare you for the ATP written.
Class size might be small (mine was 4 people) or 40-50 people. While I was there a class of 56 started. Mostly a mix of regional new hires from XJT, RPA, Envoy. A few Pt91/135 folks thrown in.
7 days total, going over weekends and holidays. 4 days class, 3 days sim.
4 days of death by ppt and video. Told my wife she'd already seen half the videos as many of them are snippets taken from youtube, "Air Disasters" and "Why Planes Crash". Good material, esp for those of us new to high altitude and air carrier ops. But the delivery makes it a little boring. ATP has a nice facility for it, though. IP was a retired SWA CA and lots of great discussion. There is a 35 question written at the end of the class time, but you are not given a grade and cannot fail it. You take the test and then correct anything you missed real-time. Nothing to stress about or study for.
3 days of sims, split into 5 "sessions", but they typically combine 2 sessions when they can. They provide some prep material for the sims, but don't spend much time on it (prioritize the Sheppard prep unless you are well along on Sheppard). You are not tested on anything in the sims, and the IP is not going to report on how you did. There is no time to really prep for the sims and the purpose is to expose you to new concepts vs test you or evaluate your skills.
1st 2 sims (4 hrs total) are in a CRJ200 trainer that does not move, but is otherwise very realistic. Ours was taught by an XJT CA (Former ASA) who was out on med leave. Great guy, great advice on entering the pt121 world. These two sessions were really focused on ops and how the FMC is key. 4 hrs total, I was told you can log as dual, but not total time toward ATP mins. That fact that we had not yet seen the remaining sim sessions left us feeling that these sessions were really cool and enjoyable.
2nd set of 3 sims (6 hrs total) is in full motion sims at a 3rd party site, but taught by ATP IPs. Some combination of B737-800 and A320 sims. I was originally scheduled for 2 sessions in the 737 and one in the A320, but it was changed to all 737. Others spent all 3 sessions in the A320. These sims are about exposing you to high altitude stalls, mach buffet, certain AP modes, hand-flying approaches, etc. We got to roll the 737 and fly a HUD assisted approach to Cat IIIB mins (HUD makes it a cake walk, even the flare/landing). See the differences in braking between a dry and wet runway (hydroplaning demo). The full motion sim sessions were great and the time flew by. You can log the 6 hours as flight time toward ATP mins if needed. Again, this is not an evaluation, just exposure and learning.
Overall it was well worth the ~$5K that XJT spent on me! Just open wide and consume the material. There's nothing to stress over (except studying for the ATP written in the off hours).
1st, to reiterate, there is nothing you are really tested on during this class, so there is nothing to prep for. All of your prep attention should be focused on the ATP written, which you'll take the day after the ATP/CTP class. And a reminder, the ATP/CTP class does not prepare you for the ATP written.
Class size might be small (mine was 4 people) or 40-50 people. While I was there a class of 56 started. Mostly a mix of regional new hires from XJT, RPA, Envoy. A few Pt91/135 folks thrown in.
7 days total, going over weekends and holidays. 4 days class, 3 days sim.
4 days of death by ppt and video. Told my wife she'd already seen half the videos as many of them are snippets taken from youtube, "Air Disasters" and "Why Planes Crash". Good material, esp for those of us new to high altitude and air carrier ops. But the delivery makes it a little boring. ATP has a nice facility for it, though. IP was a retired SWA CA and lots of great discussion. There is a 35 question written at the end of the class time, but you are not given a grade and cannot fail it. You take the test and then correct anything you missed real-time. Nothing to stress about or study for.
3 days of sims, split into 5 "sessions", but they typically combine 2 sessions when they can. They provide some prep material for the sims, but don't spend much time on it (prioritize the Sheppard prep unless you are well along on Sheppard). You are not tested on anything in the sims, and the IP is not going to report on how you did. There is no time to really prep for the sims and the purpose is to expose you to new concepts vs test you or evaluate your skills.
1st 2 sims (4 hrs total) are in a CRJ200 trainer that does not move, but is otherwise very realistic. Ours was taught by an XJT CA (Former ASA) who was out on med leave. Great guy, great advice on entering the pt121 world. These two sessions were really focused on ops and how the FMC is key. 4 hrs total, I was told you can log as dual, but not total time toward ATP mins. That fact that we had not yet seen the remaining sim sessions left us feeling that these sessions were really cool and enjoyable.
2nd set of 3 sims (6 hrs total) is in full motion sims at a 3rd party site, but taught by ATP IPs. Some combination of B737-800 and A320 sims. I was originally scheduled for 2 sessions in the 737 and one in the A320, but it was changed to all 737. Others spent all 3 sessions in the A320. These sims are about exposing you to high altitude stalls, mach buffet, certain AP modes, hand-flying approaches, etc. We got to roll the 737 and fly a HUD assisted approach to Cat IIIB mins (HUD makes it a cake walk, even the flare/landing). See the differences in braking between a dry and wet runway (hydroplaning demo). The full motion sim sessions were great and the time flew by. You can log the 6 hours as flight time toward ATP mins if needed. Again, this is not an evaluation, just exposure and learning.
Overall it was well worth the ~$5K that XJT spent on me! Just open wide and consume the material. There's nothing to stress over (except studying for the ATP written in the off hours).
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