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Originally Posted by afterburn81
(Post 2879367)
Dude. You gotta quit playing games. Everyone on this forum can see right through you. We were all new hires at one point. No one ever acted this way. What ever management crap you are tying to pull, it’s only making things worse. Awareness is catching up and the lies are getting harder to spread.
If XJT is such a great place, what are you worried about? All those saying negative things are just complainers with nothing to back it up. Things will be juuuusst fine. So let it go. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2879375)
So when you were a new hire the Union launched a campaign intended to stop incoming new hires - and therefore your upward movement? And you were just fine with that?
Now, if you are actually a pilot (I sure hope not), this isn’t all about you. The union is doing what the union is supposed to do. The dues we all pay are there to protect our jobs. Do you really think that the union has a surplus of dues and needs to spend money on meaningless campaigns? Do you know how hard it is to get union leadership to work hard and communicate with the group? Possibly, just possibly there is a problem and the pilot group is tired of it. So, we are very sorry about this pesky union campaign this getting in the way of your career progression. Maybe, had you listened before you came to XJT, you’d be at a regional airline that didn’t have mismanagement issues causing major career set backs for the majority of the group, just so a newhire can believe for a short time, that their career is on track. |
Originally Posted by afterburn81
(Post 2879382)
Um. Yes Mr. Management. That is correct.
Now, if you are actually a pilot (I sure hope not), this isn’t all about you. The union is doing what the union is supposed to do. The dues we all pay are there to protect our jobs. Do you really think that the union has a surplus of dues and needs to spend money on meaningless campaigns? Do you know how hard it is to get union leadership to work hard and communicate with the group? Possibly, just possibly there is a problem and the pilot group is tired of it. So, we are very sorry about this pesky union campaign this getting in the way of your career progression. Maybe, had you listened before you came to XJT, you’d be at a regional airline that didn’t have mismanagement issues causing major career set backs for the majority of the group, just so a newhire can believe for a short time, that their career is on track. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2879383)
Thanks for putting me in my place. So my role here then is to happily pay my dues and keep my mouth shut because the Union knows best. Got it.
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2879341)
There are 94 pilots on the list between the ‘07 hire you have been referring to and the 4/14 hire I have been referring to. I am asking you to explain that to me.
In the last 19-04 bid a pilot hired in 2007 was awarded CA in IAH. That has since been reported here as the current upgrade time to that base. However, there are 94 CAs on the seniority list at IAH who are JR to this 2007 hire, the most Jr of which is a 4/14 hire. My question is very simple, how did these 94 pilots attain their CA status? I am not trying to start an argument. I just want a real answer without all the filibuster burying my question time and time again. |
It’s called previous bids. The junior award on 19-04 was a bypass on previous bids.
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Originally Posted by AMNegron
(Post 2879395)
It’s called previous bids. The junior award on 19-04 was a bypass on previous bids.
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I don’t know how many bids have been awarded since I left....but I left 7 months ago, and I was like FOURTH from the bottom in IAH. I worked there for 12 years and one day. I was a CA for 4.5 years, and every single day of that was on reserve.
Since that time, a shizz-load of super senior CRJ guys infested the place, which couldn’t have helped. I no longer have access to any lists or anything, but you and your opponents are arguing over semantics. The upgrade time at XJT has dropped DRASTICALLY, just not in the most “desirable” bases. If you want it bad enough, like I did, you’ll take the first available and commute for the money and PIC time. If you don’t, then you bypass a long time and upgrade on your own terms.....like the 19-04 guy probably did. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2879398)
So is it really accurate to say the upgrade time to IAH is 12 years if 1/3 of the CAs in that base have been hired after that date?
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
(Post 2879410)
Yes. It is. If the last bid had people who WANTED Houston and couldn’t hold it, except for the 12-year guy. That’s how it works.
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2879398)
So is it really accurate to say the upgrade time to IAH is 12 years if 1/3 of the CAs in that base have been hired after that date?
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OK, here is some actual facts for people:
These are active employees based off the current seniority list. Swapping is is not a true award. I do expect it to continue to fall with EWR continuing to be the most junior, followed by IAH, CLE, and then ORD. TYS is out of the question since it's so small. The more we hire, the more we can fly, which means the more upgrades we get. I'm not as optimistic that by the end of this year we will see the upgrade award fall to 2 years, but I do fully expect to see upgrades at about 2 years in 2020 sometime. |
Originally Posted by wmupilot85
(Post 2879510)
OK, here is some actual facts for people:
These are active employees based off the current seniority list. Swapping is is not a true award. I do expect it to continue to fall with EWR continuing to be the most junior, followed by IAH, CLE, and then ORD. TYS is out of the question since it's so small. The more we hire, the more we can fly, which means the more upgrades we get. I'm not as optimistic that by the end of this year we will see the upgrade award fall to 2 years, but I do fully expect to see upgrades at about 2 years in 2020 sometime. I did notice there were people showing active on Septembers bid reports that are currently just starting training. I don't know why they show active though. I know a couple of them and they won't be on line until later this year. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2879375)
So when you were a new hire the Union launched a campaign intended to stop incoming new hires - and therefore your upward movement? And you were just fine with that?
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Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
(Post 2880176)
All of us were new hires at one point. The union is looking out for the greater good. It’s important to keep a unified message to management. United we stand, divided we fall as the saying goes. Management wants a divided group, because then they will win and the abuse and status quo will continue. A unified group will cause them to lose sleep at night. So no matter how much you disagree with gaining leverage in this way, it’s necessary for negotiations.
And by the way, I think you have it backwards. It is the MEC who is responsible for representing the collective desire of the pilot group. The pilot group in no way owes support to an MEC who goes this far off the rails. If the MEC wants a united pilot group he should invest more effort into polls, surveys, etc. which measure the desire of the pilots to take such extreme measures instead of sending out polls asking for ammo for the campaign which has already been decided on. The MEC better hope his hair-brained idea works. All the company has to do now is just continue to hold out and watch the pilot group divide itself as the MECs actions only continue to worsen the problems for all of us. Then when the MEC comes up for re-election he will find himself in a classroom getting ready to go back to flying. If the MEC wants to unite us this is not the way to do so. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea. New pilots are necessary for stable schedules and to help with many of the QOL issues we are facing. I’d say the pilot group is split down the middle.
And by the way, I think you have it backwards. It is the MEC who is responsible for representing the collective desire of the pilot group. The pilot group in no way owes support to an MEC who goes this far off the rails. If the MEC wants a united pilot group he should invest more effort into polls, surveys, etc. which measure the desire of the pilots to take such extreme measures instead of sending out polls asking for ammo for the campaign which has already been decided on. The MEC better hope his hair-brained idea works. All the company has to do now is just continue to hold out and watch the pilot group divide itself as the MECs actions only continue to worsen the problems for all of us. Then when the MEC comes up for re-election he will find himself in a classroom getting ready to go back to flying. If the MEC wants to unite us this is not the way to do so. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea.
Wait a sec. You think this is some idea? According to you, you are a relatively new guy. There are approximately 1392 on the list. What percentage of those folks have you accurately sampled for their general take on the reality of the company vs how management wants newhires to see it? Have you interviewed and surveyed at least 51%. Over the last few years the union has been actively surveying the pilots of XJT. It’s pretty safe to say the union has a better idea of what’s going on than you do. Not a single post of yours has justified the deceitful tactics you support by management. Please tell us all why you support embellishing and preying on unsuspecting vulnerable new hire pilots for YOUR own benefit. I don’t see what’s in it for them. |
I put this on another page and Im going to put it here too.
I do wish our management team would take a cue from United and negotiate in private. United ALPA is doing the same thing. Instead we have a clown at the CEO position running around telling us United isn't happy with our performance. 701EV :cool: |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea. New pilots are necessary for stable schedules and to help with many of the QOL issues we are facing. I’d say the pilot group is split down the middle.
And by the way, I think you have it backwards. It is the MEC who is responsible for representing the collective desire of the pilot group. The pilot group in no way owes support to an MEC who goes this far off the rails. If the MEC wants a united pilot group he should invest more effort into polls, surveys, etc. which measure the desire of the pilots to take such extreme measures instead of sending out polls asking for ammo for the campaign which has already been decided on. The MEC better hope his hair-brained idea works. All the company has to do now is just continue to hold out and watch the pilot group divide itself as the MECs actions only continue to worsen the problems for all of us. Then when the MEC comes up for re-election he will find himself in a classroom getting ready to go back to flying. If the MEC wants to unite us this is not the way to do so. DSPS, WOW! In just a few months you have the whole ExpressJet dumpster fire figured out. You have talked to most of the pilots and YOU know we are a divided group. The MEC Chairman was just re-elected for another term. IF YOU ARE A NEW HIRE JUST (like you say you are)WORRY ABOUT DOING YOUR JOB CORRECTLY. GET OFF PROBATION THEN WORRY ABOUT WHAT GOES ON AT HE ADULT TABLE. GOOD LUCK. 701EV;) |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea. New pilots are necessary for stable schedules and to help with many of the QOL issues we are facing. I’d say the pilot group is split down the middle.
Now they are intentionally going out of their way to violate the contract for pilots and FA's, putting letters in files, calling people in the office for excused sick calls, threatening missed trips and CPP failure. This is not the same airline it was a year ago. This new management wants a battle, we'll give them a battle. It's important for new hires to know the facts and hear real line pilot stories. I know I would want to if I were a potential new hire. |
Props to the MEC. I was part of it for a while, and thankfully, I got out to a company that appreciates their employees. You won’t find a harder working group than those that are in the MEC. They do have a pulse on things, and are as fed up with the shenanigans as the pilot group is.
GTFO. |
IAH CA seniority
Great, you can get a CA spot in IAH in 'X' years.
Kinda dumb argument. You aren't holding a line at even 12 years. Close to 13 if I had to guess. Same for 175 ER7 CA. 13 years probably at least. |
Originally Posted by YANXJTPilot
(Post 2881145)
Great, you can get a CA spot in IAH in 'X' years.
Kinda dumb argument. You aren't holding a line at even 12 years. Close to 13 if I had to guess. Same for 175 ER7 CA. 13 years probably at least. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea. New pilots are necessary for stable schedules and to help with many of the QOL issues we are facing. I’d say the pilot group is split down the middle.
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Originally Posted by DreFlyer
(Post 2881592)
YHGTBSM, right? Please explain how exactly new hires will help with all those QOL issues . . . I mean, any informed candidate should know by now that circumstances have changed quite a bit since the previous abusive time period for regional airline pilots :rolleyes:
The guy is definitely management. For starters, he never denies it when I call him out. More importantly, have you have spoken to an actual pilot that throws the group under the bus like this. I know quite a few guys. I've never ever spoken to anyone that was this devious. |
Hope he's ok? He hasn't been on here in a few days.
Guess he decided to "DoSomeMoreDeskStuf". Oh well. |
Originally Posted by SureJetz
(Post 2881890)
Hope he's ok? He hasn't been on here in a few days.
Guess he decided to "DoSomeMoreDeskStuf". Oh well. Partners meeting with FordHarrison? |
Originally Posted by SureJetz
(Post 2881890)
Hope he's ok? He hasn't been on here in a few days.
Guess he decided to "DoSomeMoreDeskStuf". Oh well. |
Originally Posted by Paid2fly
(Post 2882241)
Partners meeting with FordHarrison?
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Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
(Post 2882573)
He's probably a paid union buster for F & H. Yes they do exist. An old but still relevant video here:
If you watch this video you will quickly realize that this union is busting itself. And that is my issue. I don’t have a problem with the pursuit of a new contract. I have a problem with the extremely ignorant, desperate and divisive methods we have resorted to. But carry on, you will see soon enough how this all plays out. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2882875)
Nice video. So if solidarity is the only real weapon a union has, how is a new hire starting indoc on Monday supposed to feel about the union after seeing the campaign telling them how they should not come here? Has the union not already told them to pick a side before even joining the company? If management is successful in dragging out negotiations and simultaneously is able to continue to bring in 10-15 new hires per week the Union influence grows weaker with each new class.
If you watch this video you will quickly realize that this union is busting itself. And that is my issue. I don’t have a problem with the pursuit of a new contract. I have a problem with the extremely ignorant, desperate and divisive methods we have resorted to. But carry on, you will see soon enough how this all plays out. |
Originally Posted by afterburn81
(Post 2882890)
Not a single thing you’ve said supports a pilot. I was wrong. That’s WORSE than management. It’s scary to know you could possibly be part of the group at ExpressJet. You’ve definitely picked the wrong profession with words like that.
I have a little experiment for you. When the new FOs really start to roll out over the next few months, why don’t you ask them where their manly turquoise lanyards are? Please be sure to give them all of your talking points as to why they should have it. The divide widens. |
That’s great Subodh. If you don’t like it you can just leeeeaaave. Bye. :p
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2882941)
Ahhhh, back to this. We should all just march to the beat. Time to wake up sir. The type of people coming into this profession aren’t used to taking orders from the likes of you.
I have a little experiment for you. When the new FOs really start to roll out over the next few months, why don’t you ask them where their manly turquoise lanyards are? Please be sure to give them all of your talking points as to why they should have it. The divide widens. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2882941)
Ahhhh, back to this. We should all just march to the beat. Time to wake up sir. The type of people coming into this profession aren’t used to taking orders from the likes of you.
I have a little experiment for you. When the new FOs really start to roll out over the next few months, why don’t you ask them where their manly turquoise lanyards are? Please be sure to give them all of your talking points as to why they should have it. The divide widens. |
Originally Posted by afterburn81
(Post 2882993)
Sounds like someone’s a little insecure about their lack of flying skills. Enjoy your desk.
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You take your Hogan test yet DSPS? When’s your projected class date at United?
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2882994)
You can make personal attacks if you like. I speak for many more than myself, so making it personal only exemplifies your own insecurities.
How many others in management do you "speak for"(or was it F&H)? ;) |
Originally Posted by Paid2fly
(Post 2883049)
How many others in management do you "speak for"(or was it F&H)?
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Originally Posted by BusBoy88
(Post 2882989)
Did you take your Hogan yet? When is your CPP interview?
The CPP is of no concern to me. |
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