Upgrade Time By Base
 

This is the current upgrade time for the E-145 for each base on the last bid (19-04). The upgrades from the last bid (19-03) haven't gone to class and won't for the next 1-2 months. 19-04 has an effective date of April 2020.

Most junior Bid 19-04 upgrade :

EWR: 2 yrs, 10 months
CLE: 3 yrs, 6 months.
ORD: 10 yrs, 2 months
IAH: 12 yrs, 6 months
TYS: No upgrades (extremely, extremely senior and tiny base) (6 Lines)

Feel free to update this thread as upgrade time comes down.

Awesome the upgrade time has come down from 8 yrs to 2 yrs 10 months. That great news.

In EWR..Sewark 🤮

These numbers are a little misleading though because you are only taking one bid into consideration. In 19-03, for example, the junior IAH CA award was 5 yr 2 mo. There just wasn't any spots in IAH to go around on this latest bid. I am sure future bids will have more slots in these senior bases and the junior ca hire dates will drop.

You are seriously a disappointment breeding machine. It’s not great news. One day it “will” be great news.

A person will upgrade when they upgrade. Fantasizing about it will not pay the bills or earn you PIC time. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth. People of the future will thank you.

It’s like that at ALL airlines. Upgrade at UAL is about 4 years.......if you want SFO. Many people don’t, so they wait. Upgrade at IAH is about 7 years. Denver is insanely high. But nobody walks around talking about “average upgrade”. The garbage bases are junior, the desirable bases are senior. Always gonna be that way. If you want it bad enough......you’ll take it. I upgraded as soon as I could at XJT. I live in a hub, but I commuted to other bases for almost 3 years.
I get what you’re saying.....but it wasn’t too long ago that EWR was at 8-9 years, and IAH was untouchable. So flynd94 is right, even if you wanna just focus on the negative.

They know the facts, the truth is not on their agenda.

That should be obvious when they say things like “it’s a lie to tell people the upgrade time is 2 years 10 months” when that’s exactly what the time is, right there in black and white!

The way things are playing out with the Chicago base opening I see another system bid in the near future. Probably around October. The upgrade time will be under 2 years and there will REALLY be some panties in a wad.

What are the junior hire dates for 175 CAs?

June 2000.

FO side has gone very junior, majority new hires. Basically the E175 FOs should expect to upgrade on the E145. That is unless the fleet sees MASSIVE changes in the next 2 years.

Check 19-04 awards. It’s no longer 2000 for junior 175 CA.

19-04 Junior ER7 CA: 10/2006 hire

13-year upgrade on the 175? Ouch...

New hires should just plan on upgrading to the 145. Looks better to have 2 types when applying to the majors anyway. If things change within a couple of years and you end up with a 175 upgrade so be it, but to me that would be the less desirable option. I’m here for the resume, not the glamor of being a 175 captain.

Glamour of being a 175 captain? :rolleyes:

Because it's a small 175 fleet right now. I forgot that only superior airlines only fly the holy grail E175. If you're not an engine under the wing drivers, you're pathetic. That's why republic pilots are so idolized within the industry.

I think you might have misinterpreted what I was saying. Upgrade is what upgrade is. Not what it is “going” to be. The company could not upgrade someone that was hired 2 and a half years ago, right now. Not because of a training back log. Not because of seniority. But because the numbers don’t work. Someone at 2.5 years with the company is at around 1050 out of 1392. Sure, there are a percentage of guys bypassing upgrade. Not many, but they’re there.

If they upgrade a guy that was was 25% down the list, who the heck would be his FO? Another captain? The company would need to hire, train and RETAIN another 300 people overnight, to make it possible for an individual with 2.5 years seniority to become a captain right now. His FO isn’t even on property yet and they are announcing to the industry that his seniority could currently hold a captain position.

So to clarify, I don’t know of any other airline that “forecasts” an award before they are actually even in a state where they could place the individual in the seat. This strategy is used to lure and recruit. When a company does nothing to retain or protect those on property, exposing their game is definitely reasonable.

Lol, wut????

IOW, management should be able to get pilots to work for a piece of paper.

This is the weakest argument I’ve heard in a long time. Retention lengthens upgrade times, turnover and movement reduces upgrade times. It’s common sense. You are so hell-bent on your own agenda that you can’t even think rationally.

You know, 2 type ratings, 1500 turbine PIC. Goes on a resume. You use it to apply for jobs.

When it’s sitting next to yours that says you bailed and made a lateral move guess who gets the job?

Not quite sure what you’re referring to. I’ve only been at one regional. Your ~*^%~>TWO<~%^*~ type ratings is going to set you so far apart though!

Wait, so you come on here and talk all that crap and you’ve never worked here? That’s kinda psycho

No kidding! What a joke! Who would come to this airline with the better opportunities and better pay offered at literally every other regional airline?

Comparing XJT to UAL is delusion at its finest. Republic, SKW, TSA's most senior bases can be held as a CA much sooner... lol.

Yeah, because no one is getting hired at a major with one type from TSA, Republic or GoJet, etc.... jeebus dude... what a cop-out excuse for being at XJT.

LOL, ok.... you keep telling yourself that.

There was no comparison being drawn except the fact that ALL airlines have junior bases and senior bases. When upgrade is discussed, it’s always determined by the most junior base.

Isn’t that what APF is for?

United will reward XJT the next 39 new 175s because we are price competitive. Our ALPA union sold us out on the last contract so we can steal market share. More 175s will drop upgrade times to less than two years. That will drive new pilots to XJT. Whipsaw continues to work.

I applaud your realistic viewpoint. Bravo

Bump. Subodh, AKA DoSomePilotStuff is selling more lies.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...ward-base.html

Upgrade time is not based off base trades, but awards. Simple stuff. The guy can't help himself from lying though.

Again, there are nearly 100 CAs in IAH below the person you are referring to. For the purposes of total transparency is this not an important fact?

You mean the one's listed on the bid pack at ULA? Those are pilots who have left silly. They list them as ULA until they're gone for 6 months and then remove them from the bid packet.

There's only 140 captains in IAH right now. Are you seriously trying to sell that a 4-14 hire is number 40 in base?

A new low for you.

Ok now you are educating me. Like I said I am a new hire. I’m just looking at the seniority list. There are over 300 CAs listed at IAH. So why do we list everyone who has left as a CA at IAH? Were they all CAs? Were they all based at IAH?

It’s not just guys on EMP leave. It’s also MED leave, MGMT pilots, ALPA guys on trip loss, and Training Center guys. If you’re an instructor, you show as IAH-based even if you can’t hold it by seniority.

Watching the two of you argue is like CNN and Fox News. You’re both overly biased and pushing an agenda.

Thanks, so if a ORD CA leaves he is shown as an IAH CA? What about FOs?

So can we say that the Commuter Hotels and duty rigs have “bipartisan support?” LOL

It's broken down by base and seat position. ORD ULA/EMP leaves don't get put on the IAH list.

The only exception is the IAH FO list since it has new hires as well before they get their base assigned after training.

So there are 283 145 IAH CAs on the list. If there are only 140 total IAH CAs, does that mean 140 of them have already left? And of the 100 on the list more Jr than a 2007 hire, all of them have left?

How sure are you that all 100 were base transfers? Could it be they were awarded on a previous bid?

We were talking about the 4/14 upgrade, now you're talking about a 2007 hire. Why do you keep changing the topic?

How is it that you're dolling out all this advice when you don't even know how the bid/seniority list and ULA works?

There are 94 pilots on the list between the ‘07 hire you have been referring to and the 4/14 hire I have been referring to. I am asking you to explain that to me.

Dude. You gotta quit playing games. Everyone on this forum can see right through you. We were all new hires at one point. No one ever acted this way. What ever management crap you are tying to pull, it’s only making things worse. Awareness is catching up and the lies are getting harder to spread.

If XJT is such a great place, what are you worried about? All those saying negative things are just complainers with nothing to back it up. Things will be juuuusst fine. So let it go.

Does anyone have a real answer? Something informative?