Delay, Delay, Delay..........................
10-02-2019 | 03:47 PM
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Delay, Delay, Delay..........................
Delay is a very pivotal part of busting a union and having CONTROL over negotiations. The company has shown they have little to no interest in finishing the Letter 2 negotiations they said they would do. They have hired a known union busting Law Firm Ford & Harrison to spearhead this endeavor. This struggle continues to get them to hold up their end of the bargain while our pool of pilot applicants continues to dry up (just admitted by management).
The meeting notes speak for themselves. The company is just stalling and doesn't have integrity that they and United expect from us under ALL circumstances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgjII4CRi4&t=683s
-24 August 2019
It has come to our attention that ExpressJet CEO Subodh Karnik recently told a group of pilots in the EWR crew room that the Letter 2 has not been discussed because the Association has not brought anything to the company. This couldn't be further from the truth, and is Subodh's futile attempt to shift the blame from the real reason: management has been unwilling to negotiate in good faith after your MEC Negotiating Committee submitted numerous requests to meet and provided management negotiators a list of items to discuss. It is sad to think that our CEO either doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge the truth about Letter 2. However, we are working to ensure that our major partner is aware of our pilot group's concerns regarding Letter 2 and the overall health of our operation. Continue to read our MEC Updates if you want the facts about Letter 2 Negotiations.
-7 September 2019
Since the purchase of ExpressJet by ManaAir, LLC. in January of this year, your XJT Negotiating Committee (NC) and ExpressJet flight operation managers have met in-person 17 times to engage in Letter 2 discussions. In June, the company requested all parties enter into a Protocol Agreement, which would define a structure and schedule for further meetings in order to help the parties move forward with Letter 2 talks. The NC submitted a proposed Protocol Agreement draft to the company, which was promptly rejected by company representatives who stated, "It's too formal. We're not in Section 6. We do not need this."
Following the company's rejection of the Protocol Agreement draft, the NC met with then Vice President of Flight Operations Greg Wooley and Director of Flight Operations Darrin Greubel on July 23 and 24 to discuss the company-requested and company-rejected Protocol Agreement and Letter 2. On July 30, the NC met with newly-appointed Vice President of Flight Operations Scott Hall, Director of Inflight Services Dan Curtin, and ExpressJet attorney Elizabeth Galbavy to continue Letter 2 discussions and to express concerns about operational issues that have affected the airline's performance and our pilots' quality of life.
One week later, on August 6, ExpressJet Chief Administrative Officer & General Counsel John Varley explained to us that the company's negotiating team was changing. Scott Hall would no longer be leading pilot negotiations for the company. The company was now working with Ellen Ham of the Ford and Harrison law firm. John also asked that we take a break from negotiations for a couple of weeks so they could get Ellen up to speed. A meeting was scheduled for August 27 and 28, giving the company two weeks to prepare.
The following week, the company requested to push the meeting out four weeks to the second week of September. The NC insisted that it was in both parties' best interest to meet sooner. The company agreed to meet on September 3 and 4.
In attendance for the company during the September 3 and 4 Letter 2 discussions were Ellen Ham of Ford and Harrison, ExpressJet attorney Elizabeth Galbavy, and company managers Darrin Greubel, Gerhard Dupont, John Kane, Jill McKnight, and Paul Adamson. In attendance for the Association were MEC Chairman Joe Mauro, NC Chairman Ivan Harris, NC member Robert Perryman, NC member Chris Cadiz, ALPA representation attorney Anna LeBovidge, and ALPA Senior Economic Analyst Rushi Patel. The parties exchanged and discussed proposals and agreed to information production by the company, which is necessary for a costing analysis. The meeting was productive, and the parties are scheduled to continue Letter 2 talks on September 27 in order to give the Association adequate time to properly analyze the information supplied by the company.
As difficult as these discussions have been, we remain cautiously optimistic that management is finally on track to negotiate Letter 2 and provide the much-needed improvements we delayed, at the company's request, during Section 6 negotiations for Contract 2018. The deal is not done. We will update you on further developments as talks progress.
-2 October
Negotiating Committee Update
Your XJT Negotiating Committee (NC) met with the company this past Friday, September 27, at the Ford & Harrison offices in Atlanta, GA. In attendance for the company were Ellen Ham of Ford & Harrison, ExpressJet attorney Elizabeth Galbavy, and company representatives Darrin Greubel, Dan Curtin, Jill McKnight, Paul Adamson, and Karan Patel. In attendance for the Association were NC chairman Ivan Harris, NC members Robert Perryman and Christopher Cadiz, ALPA representation department manager Anna LeBovidge, and ALPA economic analyst Cory Tennen.
The meeting commenced with the Association providing answers to company questions about our proposal dated September 3. In addition, we delivered a counter to one of the company's proposals containing an easy, non-controversial, and mutually-beneficial solution to a company ask. Unfortunately, the company was not yet willing to have a dialogue on this item. We were expecting the company to have been more prepared to discuss the items in their proposal.
We were able to adapt in order to make the day as productive as possible. The next best step was for us to have the necessary discussion on the valuation, or "costing," of proposals. This is a critical step in collective bargaining. We started by sharing ALPA's initial costing estimates for each of the NC-proposed items. The company had also spent the time costing out our proposed items; however, they were not prepared to provide their estimated costing for their proposals. This was a bit discouraging, but we have been reassured this was not intentional and they will be prepared fully for our next meeting. The company did agree to provide additional Association-requested information by October 4, ahead of our next bargaining session scheduled for October 9-11.
The rest of the day consisted of discussions between the company and ALPA financial analysts regarding cost assumptions and methodologies utilized for the valuations of the proposed items. An open discussion on what is included in each other's costing models helps both parties ensure that further negotiations are based upon agreeable proposal valuations. We expect that such discussions will continue as needed between the analysts throughout this negotiation process.
The next bargaining session is scheduled for October 9-11. We are working on creating a mutually-agreeable agenda for the meeting to make the next bargaining session as productive as possible. At this meeting, it will be critical that the company is prepared to provide responses to Association proposals and to discuss company proposals. If this occurs, we will have ample opportunity to engage in fruitful talks.
The meeting notes speak for themselves. The company is just stalling and doesn't have integrity that they and United expect from us under ALL circumstances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgjII4CRi4&t=683s
-24 August 2019
It has come to our attention that ExpressJet CEO Subodh Karnik recently told a group of pilots in the EWR crew room that the Letter 2 has not been discussed because the Association has not brought anything to the company. This couldn't be further from the truth, and is Subodh's futile attempt to shift the blame from the real reason: management has been unwilling to negotiate in good faith after your MEC Negotiating Committee submitted numerous requests to meet and provided management negotiators a list of items to discuss. It is sad to think that our CEO either doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge the truth about Letter 2. However, we are working to ensure that our major partner is aware of our pilot group's concerns regarding Letter 2 and the overall health of our operation. Continue to read our MEC Updates if you want the facts about Letter 2 Negotiations.
-7 September 2019
Since the purchase of ExpressJet by ManaAir, LLC. in January of this year, your XJT Negotiating Committee (NC) and ExpressJet flight operation managers have met in-person 17 times to engage in Letter 2 discussions. In June, the company requested all parties enter into a Protocol Agreement, which would define a structure and schedule for further meetings in order to help the parties move forward with Letter 2 talks. The NC submitted a proposed Protocol Agreement draft to the company, which was promptly rejected by company representatives who stated, "It's too formal. We're not in Section 6. We do not need this."
Following the company's rejection of the Protocol Agreement draft, the NC met with then Vice President of Flight Operations Greg Wooley and Director of Flight Operations Darrin Greubel on July 23 and 24 to discuss the company-requested and company-rejected Protocol Agreement and Letter 2. On July 30, the NC met with newly-appointed Vice President of Flight Operations Scott Hall, Director of Inflight Services Dan Curtin, and ExpressJet attorney Elizabeth Galbavy to continue Letter 2 discussions and to express concerns about operational issues that have affected the airline's performance and our pilots' quality of life.
One week later, on August 6, ExpressJet Chief Administrative Officer & General Counsel John Varley explained to us that the company's negotiating team was changing. Scott Hall would no longer be leading pilot negotiations for the company. The company was now working with Ellen Ham of the Ford and Harrison law firm. John also asked that we take a break from negotiations for a couple of weeks so they could get Ellen up to speed. A meeting was scheduled for August 27 and 28, giving the company two weeks to prepare.
The following week, the company requested to push the meeting out four weeks to the second week of September. The NC insisted that it was in both parties' best interest to meet sooner. The company agreed to meet on September 3 and 4.
In attendance for the company during the September 3 and 4 Letter 2 discussions were Ellen Ham of Ford and Harrison, ExpressJet attorney Elizabeth Galbavy, and company managers Darrin Greubel, Gerhard Dupont, John Kane, Jill McKnight, and Paul Adamson. In attendance for the Association were MEC Chairman Joe Mauro, NC Chairman Ivan Harris, NC member Robert Perryman, NC member Chris Cadiz, ALPA representation attorney Anna LeBovidge, and ALPA Senior Economic Analyst Rushi Patel. The parties exchanged and discussed proposals and agreed to information production by the company, which is necessary for a costing analysis. The meeting was productive, and the parties are scheduled to continue Letter 2 talks on September 27 in order to give the Association adequate time to properly analyze the information supplied by the company.
As difficult as these discussions have been, we remain cautiously optimistic that management is finally on track to negotiate Letter 2 and provide the much-needed improvements we delayed, at the company's request, during Section 6 negotiations for Contract 2018. The deal is not done. We will update you on further developments as talks progress.
-2 October
Negotiating Committee Update
Your XJT Negotiating Committee (NC) met with the company this past Friday, September 27, at the Ford & Harrison offices in Atlanta, GA. In attendance for the company were Ellen Ham of Ford & Harrison, ExpressJet attorney Elizabeth Galbavy, and company representatives Darrin Greubel, Dan Curtin, Jill McKnight, Paul Adamson, and Karan Patel. In attendance for the Association were NC chairman Ivan Harris, NC members Robert Perryman and Christopher Cadiz, ALPA representation department manager Anna LeBovidge, and ALPA economic analyst Cory Tennen.
The meeting commenced with the Association providing answers to company questions about our proposal dated September 3. In addition, we delivered a counter to one of the company's proposals containing an easy, non-controversial, and mutually-beneficial solution to a company ask. Unfortunately, the company was not yet willing to have a dialogue on this item. We were expecting the company to have been more prepared to discuss the items in their proposal.
We were able to adapt in order to make the day as productive as possible. The next best step was for us to have the necessary discussion on the valuation, or "costing," of proposals. This is a critical step in collective bargaining. We started by sharing ALPA's initial costing estimates for each of the NC-proposed items. The company had also spent the time costing out our proposed items; however, they were not prepared to provide their estimated costing for their proposals. This was a bit discouraging, but we have been reassured this was not intentional and they will be prepared fully for our next meeting. The company did agree to provide additional Association-requested information by October 4, ahead of our next bargaining session scheduled for October 9-11.
The rest of the day consisted of discussions between the company and ALPA financial analysts regarding cost assumptions and methodologies utilized for the valuations of the proposed items. An open discussion on what is included in each other's costing models helps both parties ensure that further negotiations are based upon agreeable proposal valuations. We expect that such discussions will continue as needed between the analysts throughout this negotiation process.
The next bargaining session is scheduled for October 9-11. We are working on creating a mutually-agreeable agenda for the meeting to make the next bargaining session as productive as possible. At this meeting, it will be critical that the company is prepared to provide responses to Association proposals and to discuss company proposals. If this occurs, we will have ample opportunity to engage in fruitful talks.
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