Aviate Pass Rate Under 35%
 

Be advised the initial success rate of the Aviate program is under 35%. A conditional job offer received from ExpressJet does not necessarily mean a new hire candidate is qualified nor competitive in the Aviate program.

Additionally, prospective candidates can and will be turned down during the final review after successfully passing the Aviate interview due to things that are possibly outside of their control.

Among many reasons, an ill timed illness around a Holiday, training event, before or after a vacation, etc. is enough to get a pilot turned down in the final review, among many other conditions. This unnecessarily puts pressure on pilots to fly when they may not be fit for duty.

Many times pilots are turned down in the final review with zero documented disciplinary action or previous mentioned sick calls. Chief pilots are left scratching their heads when reviewing the pilot’s work file and no explanation is given.

In short, Aviate is not a “direct path” to United nor a “flow” in any way. The initial success rate of the program is very poor. The Aviate program is a new name on a flawed and failed previous program in the CPP.

These reasons are exactly why I did not apply. They tried to push everyone into applying quickly with the First In First Out gimmick. I have a feeling some of those that don’t get a CJO will be looking to make a lateral move. So much for being a recruiting tool.


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The AVIATE program is just like the failed CPP program. Most pilots don’t make it and then are asked to continue to fly United passengers in United airplanes....United HR is smoking crack if they think this will work.

The dumpster fire is burning strong at XJT.

Whoa and 5-6 months they’ll start the final reviews and we’ll see how many make it through after that.

Question is will guys start to walk.

Hopefully that's the action people take. I don't want to see good pilots leave here, but how else will the company (XJT & United) get the message? A TBNT letter from our only "partner" is the equivalent of them saying we're not good enough to have dinner with them, but why don't you be a good sport and cook our dinner anyway?

I did their little online prescreen when I was still there. While in training at my ULCC I got the invite to interview. Felt great being able to hit delete.

There are many who make it through the program and end up at United. There are many people who are fantastic pilots with somewhat sour attitude towards their jobs and mostly the ones being weeded out. United knows everyone can fly , they are looking for those who can and will drink the kool aid and have a good attitude towards service to company and customer. There are also so many fantastic people that should be flying for United and aren’t. That’s just the way it is in all industries.

That AVIATE program is a damn joke. It’s pure BS. I lost all desire or hope of flying for that company. There are better airlines out there.

35% odds is the highest of any job on earth that pays what United pays. Flow to American obviously has a higher chance but that was a route no one here chose. They still hold that flow over your head. Talk to your friends at Envoy/PSA and ask how they feel about their companies that pay better than us and give them a “guaranteed “ job at American.

You can always go to endeavor and wait 4 years to get the interview

Just got a text from a FO who I did his IOE, he passed the Aviate interview and is in pool.

The number provided is simply those who were invited to interview. The overall acceptance rate for the program as a whole becomes far more abysmal once other factors are applied.

Not everyone enrolled will be invited to interview and continue the process. Applications are reviewed on a case by case basis and many don’t make the cut allowing the candidate to progress to the next step. For these candidates, the process ends there. A conditional job offer from ExpressJet and an offer to interview through the Aviate program are not mutually exclusive.

Additionally, many pilots aren’t even eligible to apply due to being unsuccessful in the previous CPP program.

Lastly, pilots will be turned down at the very last minute during the final review process after a successful interview. Many of these cases have yielded zero evidence of disciplinary action, non-accepted sick calls or other infractions in their employee work files. This is after significant time, money and resources are expended by the employee to be successful in the program and after safely flying thousands of United’s passengers, many as pilot in command.

The Aviate program is in no way comparable to the flow-through at AAG regional carriers. The initial interview (Envoy, PSA, Piedmont) is the only interview the candidate will see. If successful, they will flow to American Airlines barring any current disciplinary action in their employee file.

This is significant in the fact that the pilot knows from day one of Indoc that they will be transitioning to American when their seniority number arrives. The same cannot be said for successful candidates in the Aviate program.

Pilots turned down during any stage of the Aviate program have expended significant time away from family in hotels during initial training (3-5 months straight), opportunity cost in the way of lost seniority at a future carrier, and in many cases they have accepted tens of thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses which must be paid back should they decide to leave for greener pastures. In many cases this monetarily handcuffs pilots to continue to fly passengers for an airline which ultimately did not accept them.

The Aviate program is a recruitment tool designed to bring prospective candidates through the door to staff United’s regional feed. In many cases candidates are misinformed about the process by recruiters and lead to believe their chances are much higher than they actually are. For them, this program is seen as a bait-and-switch tactic. A large number of new hires have left the school house in the initial days of training once this reality is made known.

Prospective candidates should thoroughly educate themselves on the good, bad and ugly of the Aviate program and proceed forward accordingly.

It’s a LITTLE disingenuous to say that people will be turned away at final review for no reason. While that DID happen with the CPP towards the end, there has been no anecdotal evidence to support that this program will be the same. I would say a healthy level of skepticism is appropriate, but what you’re saying about the final review hasn’t happened yet.

Yeah I agree. It’s probably a VERY small percentage and I’ve been out in the field enough already to see people call in for ALOT of reasons other than being sick. It ruins it for the good ones. Don’t believe the sob stories you hear from other pilots. If United denied them , I’m sure it’s for good reason.

Spin two: I agree with some of your points as well.

Yeah...”yet”.......

The only reason an employee should miss work is because they were sick? Life happens. Pilots are not immune to that.

XJTFO, how long have you been at ExpressJet?

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So you are saying only 35% are getting invited to interview? Seriously dude why don’t you give up your 5 months of seniority and go to Envoy if this place is so bad?

I interviewed 12/12 and got the acceptance call last night.

Me too.

Filler

Congrats!!

Congrats to you as well!!

Dosomepilotstuff
 

Envoy is not in the cards at the moment...

Got the Thanks But No Thanks after late Nov interview. Extremely disappointed, as I thought I interviewed well... know of a few more who got turned down and two who were successful.

Work conditions are mostly fine here and upgrade time is going down, flying seems fairly steady. Although if the rumors are true EWR is getting a draw down I’ll have to pull the ejection handles as I live in PA area and not able to do the commute thing due to family.

Anyone have more info on EWR?

Congrats to all who made it in.

My opinion is that if GoJet is able to handle the operation at KEWR and get United’s trust, XJT KEWR will be downsizing to limited pilots.

No one knows anything. United seems to want to eliminate the single class aircraft from EWR. I would imagine every 550 hitting the line means one less 145 at EWR for us. I don’t know much about CommutAir but I believe they area big piece of the pie there. It’s probably easier to move us out than them.

Same here 12/12 interview. I got phone call yesterday

Got the TBNT myself. Not entirely surprised since it took a while to get a response where others heard pretty quickly.

Looks like I’m not the only one? Now I get to check the AirlineApps box saying I was turned down at a major airline interview... sure that will help things at Delta and United down the line.

Now to decide if I should go to Republic or stick it out for an LCC down the line at some point after some more hours here..

How many will pass the FRB? Do you all have perfect attendance records?

Aviate Pass Rate Under 35%
 

They didn’t run any FRB yet

So far I have a perfect record

Not criticizing, honest question. What would be the advantage of leaving for Republic if either LCC or Major is the goal? Would that not look bad on an application?

If leaving for greener pastures a WO seems like the only logical option to me.

That’s my question too. Leaving for republic makes absolutely no sense.

There is no box on airline apps that asks if you "failed" a major airline interview.

Stay with your current regional. Upgrade. Fly 1000 hours as a captain. Go to every job conference (WAI, NGPA coming up soon). Do emerald coast. Do lots of community service. Pay for professional application and resume review. Get in shape. Get hired at a major airline.

Moving to another regional, unless it allows you to live in domicile 1) doesn't look good on your app 2) isn't a smart life choice.

I managed to pass the final review for the CPP and I didn’t have a perfect attendance record. I called in sick when i was sick.

Ditto this. I have a STRONG notion that those who got denied “for no reason”........actually know the reason. They just don’t want to be honest with themselves.

This. I always thought this was the case. Most "for no reason" folks are too embarrassed to admit that they have something in the background and go to the easy excuse.

EWR based. Live in the NE. Would have to two leg it to another base if EWR reduces flying/closes base as has been announced.

Not doing anything rash but will have to make decisions if it comes to that.

Why Republic? Commutair is fat on F/O’s along with Endeavor. Can get the 175, a line and a EWR base.

Good reasons. Would make sense in an interview. Doesn’t just sound like greener pastures.