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01-25-2020 | 12:09 PM
#11
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In my case it was 70 days in Houston. I would say it should be around it +\- depends on sim availability
01-26-2020 | 09:00 AM
#12
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I guess theoretically it could be as little as 41 days, but if you got a training schedule like that, you'd be dead at the end. One day off between every couple of sim sessions is really helpful and a day off here or there prior to the evaluation events is also welcome. But some of us got too much of that - like 6 or more days between the last LOT and the LOE checkride. The procedure trainers and sims run 7 days per week, but all classroom stuff is only on weekdays.
I count 41 days of training events....
Basic Indoc (including written test + a CRM day) - 7
Systems (classroom, including written test) - 12
Gen Ops (classroom) - 2
PT (procedures training, including 1 class day of intro) - 6 sessions
MT (maneuvers sim training) - 6 sessions
KV (knowledge validation - i.e. oral exam) - 1
MV (maneuvers validation - 1st phase of sim checks) - 1
LOT (line oriented sim training) - 3 sessions
LOE (line oriented evaluation - ATP/type checkride) - 1
Jumpseats - 2 days (6 legs)
Then you start IOE
It's common for people to need another 1-2 sim sessions along the way. The sessions are really busy and if there is any delay at all, such as the sim having issues or the student needing to repeat a maneuver or two to get it nailed, it can easily create the need for another session or two.
So 41 training event/days and it's actually taking between 70-100 calendar days, probably closer to 70 going forward.
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01-26-2020 | 11:01 AM
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Mine (145 AQP) was 95 days this past fall, but that included at least 3 1/2 weeks of breaks. They will provide positive space tickets to go home for any break of 3+ days. I know a few other folks who had more like 105 days, starting in Sep and ending in early Jan. Some of that was caused by an unreliable sim in St Louis. But I would expect this to trend more toward the low end of that range as things are getting a little smoother.
I guess theoretically it could be as little as 41 days, but if you got a training schedule like that, you'd be dead at the end. One day off between every couple of sim sessions is really helpful and a day off here or there prior to the evaluation events is also welcome. But some of us got too much of that - like 6 or more days between the last LOT and the LOE checkride. The procedure trainers and sims run 7 days per week, but all classroom stuff is only on weekdays.
I count 41 days of training events....
Basic Indoc (including written test + a CRM day) - 7
Systems (classroom, including written test) - 12
Gen Ops (classroom) - 2
PT (procedures training, including 1 class day of intro) - 6 sessions
MT (maneuvers sim training) - 6 sessions
KV (knowledge validation - i.e. oral exam) - 1
MV (maneuvers validation - 1st phase of sim checks) - 1
LOT (line oriented sim training) - 3 sessions
LOE (line oriented evaluation - ATP/type checkride) - 1
Jumpseats - 2 days (6 legs)
Then you start IOE
It's common for people to need another 1-2 sim sessions along the way. The sessions are really busy and if there is any delay at all, such as the sim having issues or the student needing to repeat a maneuver or two to get it nailed, it can easily create the need for another session or two.
So 41 training event/days and it's actually taking between 70-100 calendar days, probably closer to 70 going forward.
I guess theoretically it could be as little as 41 days, but if you got a training schedule like that, you'd be dead at the end. One day off between every couple of sim sessions is really helpful and a day off here or there prior to the evaluation events is also welcome. But some of us got too much of that - like 6 or more days between the last LOT and the LOE checkride. The procedure trainers and sims run 7 days per week, but all classroom stuff is only on weekdays.
I count 41 days of training events....
Basic Indoc (including written test + a CRM day) - 7
Systems (classroom, including written test) - 12
Gen Ops (classroom) - 2
PT (procedures training, including 1 class day of intro) - 6 sessions
MT (maneuvers sim training) - 6 sessions
KV (knowledge validation - i.e. oral exam) - 1
MV (maneuvers validation - 1st phase of sim checks) - 1
LOT (line oriented sim training) - 3 sessions
LOE (line oriented evaluation - ATP/type checkride) - 1
Jumpseats - 2 days (6 legs)
Then you start IOE
It's common for people to need another 1-2 sim sessions along the way. The sessions are really busy and if there is any delay at all, such as the sim having issues or the student needing to repeat a maneuver or two to get it nailed, it can easily create the need for another session or two.
So 41 training event/days and it's actually taking between 70-100 calendar days, probably closer to 70 going forward.
This is a new hire training footprint, not a captain upgrade footprint.
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01-26-2020 | 06:21 PM
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Mine (145 AQP) was 95 days this past fall, but that included at least 3 1/2 weeks of breaks. They will provide positive space tickets to go home for any break of 3+ days. I know a few other folks who had more like 105 days, starting in Sep and ending in early Jan. Some of that was caused by an unreliable sim in St Louis. But I would expect this to trend more toward the low end of that range as things are getting a little smoother.
I guess theoretically it could be as little as 41 days, but if you got a training schedule like that, you'd be dead at the end. One day off between every couple of sim sessions is really helpful and a day off here or there prior to the evaluation events is also welcome. But some of us got too much of that - like 6 or more days between the last LOT and the LOE checkride. The procedure trainers and sims run 7 days per week, but all classroom stuff is only on weekdays.
I count 41 days of training events....
Basic Indoc (including written test + a CRM day) - 7
Systems (classroom, including written test) - 12
Gen Ops (classroom) - 2
PT (procedures training, including 1 class day of intro) - 6 sessions
MT (maneuvers sim training) - 6 sessions
KV (knowledge validation - i.e. oral exam) - 1
MV (maneuvers validation - 1st phase of sim checks) - 1
LOT (line oriented sim training) - 3 sessions
LOE (line oriented evaluation - ATP/type checkride) - 1
Jumpseats - 2 days (6 legs)
Then you start IOE
It's common for people to need another 1-2 sim sessions along the way. The sessions are really busy and if there is any delay at all, such as the sim having issues or the student needing to repeat a maneuver or two to get it nailed, it can easily create the need for another session or two.
So 41 training event/days and it's actually taking between 70-100 calendar days, probably closer to 70 going forward.
I guess theoretically it could be as little as 41 days, but if you got a training schedule like that, you'd be dead at the end. One day off between every couple of sim sessions is really helpful and a day off here or there prior to the evaluation events is also welcome. But some of us got too much of that - like 6 or more days between the last LOT and the LOE checkride. The procedure trainers and sims run 7 days per week, but all classroom stuff is only on weekdays.
I count 41 days of training events....
Basic Indoc (including written test + a CRM day) - 7
Systems (classroom, including written test) - 12
Gen Ops (classroom) - 2
PT (procedures training, including 1 class day of intro) - 6 sessions
MT (maneuvers sim training) - 6 sessions
KV (knowledge validation - i.e. oral exam) - 1
MV (maneuvers validation - 1st phase of sim checks) - 1
LOT (line oriented sim training) - 3 sessions
LOE (line oriented evaluation - ATP/type checkride) - 1
Jumpseats - 2 days (6 legs)
Then you start IOE
It's common for people to need another 1-2 sim sessions along the way. The sessions are really busy and if there is any delay at all, such as the sim having issues or the student needing to repeat a maneuver or two to get it nailed, it can easily create the need for another session or two.
So 41 training event/days and it's actually taking between 70-100 calendar days, probably closer to 70 going forward.
01-29-2020 | 04:43 PM
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Latest bid result for upgrade:
EWR is most junior with DOH of 9/16/2019. He is still listed as a trainee.
IAH is 8/26/2019
ORD is 2/4/2019
All are 145.
Junior 175 CA is a displacement from CLE with DOH of 6/27/2016.
Enjoy...
EWR is most junior with DOH of 9/16/2019. He is still listed as a trainee.
IAH is 8/26/2019
ORD is 2/4/2019
All are 145.
Junior 175 CA is a displacement from CLE with DOH of 6/27/2016.
Enjoy...
01-29-2020 | 05:40 PM
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01-30-2020 | 01:54 PM
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