It did. But that doesn’t mean their wasn’t some back room negotiations by SKW. My guess is this was to fulfill the multi class jet agreement that Skywest made when they sold XJT. UA scope isn’t changing any time soon and this was the only way make that agreement whole.

it was a ploy to get the pilot group to sign a bad contract

Probably just wording that Skywest gets the planes if XJT couldn’t get the program up and running or fulfill the reliability requirements.

The slide deployments, massive sick calls by senior ASA pilots and other issues didn’t do us any favors.

Only operating 25 would have made the program too expensive for United’s liking. No way they planned to bring them here just to remove them. That’s terrible PR.

somehow I don’t think many TSA guys will come here if they can find a home at SkyWest in Denver. Why step from one sinking ship to another?

My thoughts exactly.

just heard a Union guy saying something about sick calls on the 175 and fleet consolidation. Open my phone and bam!

Clearly the sick calls lol. Another opportunity to bash L-ASA.

Agreed. There's no reason whatsoever we shouldn't get endeavor rates if they can afford to throw all this bonus money at new hires. Show me the money or else I'm out.

This isn’t Skywest’s fault anymore than it’s our fault TSA is going down.

The wording from the sale was for the NEXT batch of dual seat flying and there was no IF or WHEN attached to it.

I just dont understand why they would dump the 175 program where UA has interest in XJT but not in OO.

Can you imagine having gone to XJT to fly the 175? Lmaoooo 🤣🤣

Better start throwing things!

1. United probably has a negative outlook of scope relaxation. That is, no more 175s and a fleet of only 25 is too small.

2. We can’t train enough pilots quickly enough to have accepted the planes that ended up going to MESA. Not without removing 145s from service, which United needs and would have then become a small fleet at XJT.

3. Apparently TSA was in dire straights and we’re rescuing the flying for UA.

What I don’t get is the lack of planning for the TSA pilot group. I guess the hope is they just move over to gojets?

Republic lost that flying a second time. I wouldn’t be laughing if I were you.

Actually YX didn’t lose any flying.

Thats not what I said.

Why would they bother spending all the spool up costs at XJT if it was planned all along? Just sounds more like a reaction to TSA s*itting the best with regards to their staffing or lack of staffing.

I would say ploy is too nice a word

Burn it down! FUPM!

Yes you did.

Here’s your quote.






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TSA has been p**sing off UAL ever since they agreed to take the XRs which is why we never got Aviate. The handwriting has been on the wall for this for a while. TSA management is a cluster and couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag. Ever since the only guy in management with a clue, KS, left for PSA the place has been crashing downhill. Because of this, there will be very few, if any TSA guys going to Gojet. We all want to get out of here. Conference call today was a joke and they had no real answers. Union sources are telling us negotiations are underway for a soft landing for TSA guys that want to go to Expressjet. Supposedly UAL is really pushing this to help crew the XRs. We're being told the bulk of the flying will be transferred after August with a few planes leaving by May, then a pause in transfers until fall.

Rumor I heard was they are working on a package for people to stay until the planes leave and then got to Expressjet. UAL needs to keep the planes flying all summer and without significant financial incentives and some kind of assurance of a job, people aren't going to wait and this will be a ghost town soon. I don't see Expressjet getting all these aircraft transferred over the next year without some of the TSA guys going with them. I expect most of the TSA guys to go to LCCs, some to other regionals and very, very few to Gojet. Mostly the old timers who don't have a lot of time left and don't want to leave St Louis.

We'll see what happens but this is gonna be another TSA cluster until the planes get transferred.

Lack of pilots. Tip of the iceberg for United. Lack of pilots at TSA closes the doors. Someone must fly the planes and United is desperate. If you move the pieces around by moving the 175s to SkyWest, which says they can staff them, move the 36 145s to XJT who might be able to staff by moving the 175 pilots over combined with offering the TSA pilots seniority at XJT it just might all work. It’s a desperation move. Down by 14 with 2 minutes to go. Time to resort to drastic measures.

Now, the real question is will United learn from this and do more to attract pilots to its regional feed, or will they think “Haha! Problem solved! We are geniuses!”?

If the XJT contract is not re-negotiated ASAP we will be in the same place as TSA within 6-12 months.

These are the facts. Trying to read any more into it than this is overlooking the simple truth.

175's are done
 

If management thinks all the 175 pilots will be going over to the 145 and not leaving to fly elsewhere for better pay and a type bonus on top of it they’re not thinking straight.

Yep, I bet a large share just leave for Republic, Envoy, SkyWest and other 175 operators. Why go back to the school house to learn a dinosaur jet with a limited shelf life remaining?

United needs to do something significant with pay, QOL and career advancement or risk a mass exodus. This summer will be brutal.

It’s not just the lack of pilots getting those machines spooled up at XJT, it will weigh heavily on the state of the aircraft being transferred.

I remember when I was at Envoy and the TSA planes started making their way back to ENY, they spent a lot longer in the hangar getting back up to speed to pass a conformity.

Dinosaur? You do realize that some of those deadheads you guys do are on a dinosaur 737-800.

Those planes were built to have a much longer shelf life than an RJ. You realize that right?

$55k bonus at the Voy and 5.5 year flow to AA. We need more friendly XJT folks here.

There’s no such thing as a 5.5 year flow for new hire at a Envoy, that’s for the 2016 new hires, and then flow works is way back up to 8-9 years for everyone hires after.

Same thing YX is going through taking on CP’s 175s. TSH has a complete disregard for proper maintenance.

Sounds like people around you need to start ducking. I'm pretty sure SkyWest is getting em all. I'm surprised none went to Republic but I bet SkyWest tossed out a cheap undercut to get them.

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Big U likes it cheap. Anchors the rising cost (old whipsaw).

Temporary move till UA moves the 175s in house.

No, I did not. Because I was referring to the planes that Republic lost to XJT, then to Skywest.

Not to mention the latest MESA birds.

Yea, uh huh.

How can you lose what you never had?

You lose the bid.

you said it your self here—republic lost out:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/r...ml#post2982999

Again, YX did not lose any aircraft.

This is what they kept saying a year ago. Its now 7.5 years for a late 2018 hire, and still dropping fast.
It's s not 5.5 years but it's not 9 years either.

Republic lost three UAX bids in a row for additional aircraft and flying.

At least your other pilots seem to have their heads in the right place and are noticing the pattern.

From what I heard this morning.. the union and the company have come to an agreement on contract negotiations. Not just with rules but on pay a well. The company seems eager to get the deal done now and after seeing this news this its the reason why. Will it work? Who knows until we see what they come out with. Whatever they come with it better be good pay with those commuter hotels and other gains or else the company will see folk leave.