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On the positive side Cleveland might not close.. just saw that bid 20-2 has been stopped. Guys that have been long term commuters from Denver will not have to commute to Houston.
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Still the looming option for 19 more 175s.. the simulator in Houston.. can Mesa staff those birds.. can xjt staff these 36 more 145s. New hire’s were attracted to the new bird. What’s gonna get their attention now? Aviate is cool but not a strong enough piece on the table
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Originally Posted by Flydafe
(Post 2983198)
Still the looming option for 19 more 175s.. the simulator in Houston.. can Mesa staff those birds.. can xjt staff these 36 more 145s. New hire’s were attracted to the new bird. What’s gonna get their attention now? Aviate is cool but not a strong enough piece on the table
Hiring will take a hit without the 175s. But the Denver base will help. |
Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
(Post 2983110)
Those planes were built to have a much longer shelf life than an RJ. You realize that right?
http://66.media.tumblr.com/703e528af...nq40o1_500.gif Ultimately, the jokes on us. |
Originally Posted by Flydafe
(Post 2983194)
From what I heard this morning.. the union and the company have come to an agreement on contract negotiations. Not just with rules but on pay a well. The company seems eager to get the deal done now and after seeing this news this its the reason why. Will it work? Who knows until we see what they come out with. Whatever they come with it better be good pay with those commuter hotels and other gains or else the company will see folk leave.
Hopefully it gets done at some point before October like the ALPA Fastread said earlier today. |
They delayed CLE closing to keep those guys from going to ORD/IAH just to be displaced a month later to DEN.
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Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
(Post 2983202)
We average about 6 hull cycles per day, age of XJT’s fleet ranges from 15 to 20 years old. These planes are getting old and tired. I’ve heard Embraer has to create a D-check for us given we are flying them this long and this hard. The 175 was the only glimmer of hope for a re-fleeting. I think this place is going to be the next Trans States. We will eventually claim insolvency too because of lack of pilots. United will just whip saw these 145s onto CommutAir and offer us a job there.
http://66.media.tumblr.com/703e528af...nq40o1_500.gif Ultimately, the jokes on us. |
Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2983193)
Republic lost three UAX bids in a row for additional aircraft and flying.
At least your other pilots seem to have their heads in the right place and are noticing the pattern. |
Originally Posted by LoneStar32
(Post 2983258)
There was a bidding process? Who were the bidders and what sources do you have to confirm this?
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Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs
(Post 2983253)
My brother works for XJT and he solely went there to fly the 175, I can't believe that United would pull this stunt after XJT seeing light in the end of the tunnel and some deserved sunshine after a long time. This is like putting lipstick on an ugly pig and pimping it. Yes the joke is on the pilots there very sad day indeed.
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Originally Posted by jcountry
(Post 2982547)
This makes absolutely no sense.
Why go through all the costs of delivery/training associated with the 175 just to dump it? (If those 175s wind up at SKYW, Imma throw things.) |
Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
(Post 2982533)
2019 was an incredible year of transformation and growth at ExpressJet, and 2020 will be no exception. Today we announced we are finalizing a multi-year extension of our Capacity Purchase Agreement (CPA) with United. Additionally, we will be acquiring 36 ERJ145s over the next 12 months that are currently being operated by another airline. This will make us the world’s largest operator of ERJ145 aircraft.
All of this is being driven by United’s decision to make a long-term commitment to the ERJ145 with a multi-million-dollar investment in refreshing the interiors of our ERJ145 aircraft – seats, lights, even adding personal device entertainment. This will create an improved and contemporary passenger experience on the refreshed ERJ145s. All of this points to a long-term commitment from our partner United and indicates they are confident in our ability to grow our fleet and be successful for the long-term. United is committed to the ERJ145 fleet type, and the extension and investment in the customer and employee experience speaks volumes to the importance of our flying in their network. An additional component of this agreement involves United transitioning our E175 aircraft off of our certificate and transferring them to another United Express carrier. We are incredibly grateful to the entire team for your work making our E175 program such a success this past year. Together we accomplished amazing things! As a regional carrier, we must stay relevant to our mainline partner by providing them the product that is most applicable to the needs of their network. United is confident in our ability to grow our ERJ145 operation to become United’s largest operator of 50 seat aircraft, allowing for simplification and a more reliable, efficient operation. We will also be able to expand our flying footprint, which includes adding additional destinations and bases, starting with Denver later this year. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or any of your leaders. Fly safely, Subodh Ten more years of ****ed off pax, delays ,cx due maintenance, standing in the cold and rain in Dulles waiting 15 minutes on your bag . Ten more years of that —— way to go united . I’m sure the folks at delta are still laughing . |
Originally Posted by idlethrust
(Post 2983350)
Staying committed to a pos like the -145 and the rj200 will be the slow death of United. Pax hate these pos planes . Agreeing to fly these things for another ten years is absolutely insane .
Ten more years of ****ed off pax, delays ,cx due maintenance, standing in the cold and rain in Dulles waiting 15 minutes on your bag . Ten more years of that —— way to go united . I’m sure the folks at delta are still laughing . |
Originally Posted by black cat
(Post 2983326)
Going somewhere solely to fly a certain fleet type is idiotic.
Personally, I learned more in that first couple years in a turboprop than in anything with VNAV and LPV. You can’t buy that kind of experience now, and I’m immensely grateful for it. YMMV. |
Originally Posted by idlethrust
(Post 2983350)
Staying committed to a pos like the -145 and the rj200 will be the slow death of United. Pax hate these pos planes . Agreeing to fly these things for another ten years is absolutely insane .
Ten more years of ****ed off pax, delays ,cx due maintenance, standing in the cold and rain in Dulles waiting 15 minutes on your bag . Ten more years of that —— way to go united . I’m sure the folks at delta are still laughing . |
Originally Posted by Rotor2prop
(Post 2983450)
At this point it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they didn’t have the idea of buying up every CRJ700 they can find on the planet to convert to 550s then leaving a single 145 carrier like XJT to provide 50 seat lift in markets they feel won’t complain much as long as they still get service. I think this whole decision is a reaction to United finally seeing that it’ll be a cold day in hell before pilots give in on scope.
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Originally Posted by vortacmeatsac
(Post 2983488)
At this point in the game, pilots don't have a reason to bend on scope. Airline biz is riding high right now, but history has shown there will be an eventual downturn. Once that bubble shrinks or breaks, then scope becomes a much more heated topic.
United is probably planning this new deal will hold them over until the economy dives and they get the scope leverage. |
Originally Posted by Rotor2prop
(Post 2983603)
United is probably planning this new deal will hold them over until the economy dives and they get the scope leverage.
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Honest question: how long can they afford to play these games? The pilot group was once 4500. It is now 1400 and dropping.
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Exactly what I’m thinking. Obviously, some agreements have been made. I just fail they think to realize that something needs to be done now, not in October.
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Originally Posted by PeakEGT
(Post 2983810)
Exactly what I’m thinking. Obviously, some agreements have been made. I just fail they think to realize that something needs to be done now, not in October.
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The thing that that is interesting of watching how the rest of this all plays out. An airline closed due to staffing issues. Many other airlines are facing staffing issues. Who’s next and how will this continue going forward? I think we all will be flying bigger jets for higher pay. This current effort by the mainline partner to save flying on old jets is a terrible bandaid that will seem highly unattractive to possible new hires unless we get a flow or higher pay.. don’t think a median scale pay rate is going to get it done
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Originally Posted by UnitedExpress
(Post 2983691)
Honest question: how long can they afford to play these games? The pilot group was once 4500. It is now 1400 and dropping.
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Originally Posted by UnitedExpress
(Post 2983691)
Honest question: how long can they afford to play these games? The pilot group was once 4500. It is now 1400 and dropping.
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
(Post 2983908)
1455 and slowly growing. A few weeks ago, we were at 1435.
Xjt pilot count 6/1/18 - 1865 7/1 - 1824 8/1 - 1769 9/1 - 1687 10/1 - 1642 11/1 - 1597 12/1 - 1541 1/1/2019 - 1502 2/1/19 - 1470 3/1/19 - 1458 4/1/19 -1448 5/1/19 - 1432 6/1/19 - 1431 7/1/19 - 1442 8/1/19 - 1408 9/1/19 - 1394 10/1/19 - 1388 11/1/19 - 1378 12/1/19 - 1398 1/17/20 - 1427 2/24/20 - 1455 |
Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
(Post 2983976)
I haven’t been keeping track much lately, but these are our historic totals. We are about where we were this time in 2019.
Xjt pilot count 6/1/18 - 1865 7/1 - 1824 8/1 - 1769 9/1 - 1687 10/1 - 1642 11/1 - 1597 12/1 - 1541 1/1/2019 - 1502 2/1/19 - 1470 3/1/19 - 1458 4/1/19 -1448 5/1/19 - 1432 6/1/19 - 1431 7/1/19 - 1442 8/1/19 - 1408 9/1/19 - 1394 10/1/19 - 1388 11/1/19 - 1378 12/1/19 - 1398 1/17/20 - 1427 2/24/20 - 1455 Can’t imagine losing the 175 helps recruiting... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Right now we need operationally-focused people in charge and stop this nickel-and-dime mentality. Fix the outdated contract. I’ve never seen so much unrecoverable attrition of talent as I have over the last few years.
Forget the 175, we are pilots who move equipment A-B. Fleets change all the time. TSA failed; could have been anyone. My $.02 |
Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
(Post 2983976)
I haven’t been keeping track much lately, but these are our historic totals. We are about where we were this time in 2019.
Xjt pilot count 6/1/18 - 1865 7/1 - 1824 8/1 - 1769 9/1 - 1687 10/1 - 1642 11/1 - 1597 12/1 - 1541 1/1/2019 - 1502 2/1/19 - 1470 3/1/19 - 1458 4/1/19 -1448 5/1/19 - 1432 6/1/19 - 1431 7/1/19 - 1442 8/1/19 - 1408 9/1/19 - 1394 10/1/19 - 1388 11/1/19 - 1378 12/1/19 - 1398 1/17/20 - 1427 2/24/20 - 1455 |
Originally Posted by UnitedExpress
(Post 2984075)
The new 175s are what was helping offset the attrition while we wait for October for Section 6 and a dead Letter 2. Let’s see what the numbers look like in March since this announcement. I heard a few guys just walked out of training yesterday since they heard the news. They most certainly aren’t coming here for the QOL and pay.
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
(Post 2984120)
That would be a great tell me about this story. "I walked out because I couldn't get the E175!!! Now if I'm hired here, I'll walk out if I don't get the 787."
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Does anyone know when XJT will start getting these 36 airplanes and losing the 175’s. Are the upgrade times expected to go up or be shorter with the 11 airplane net gain?
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Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
(Post 2984161)
It’s much, much more complicated than that but of course you’re very aware of that fact. By no means is it an easy decision to make either way (stay or leave). For those to leave exclusively for that reason, I agree not a good look.
Anyone who hasn’t started yet or interviewed yet will never have to explain that decision of course... I agree equipment isn’t the way to pick jobs, but in this case it becomes a proxy for the health of the company. Good company, not so great contract. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Billy738
(Post 2984163)
Does anyone know when XJT will start getting these 36 airplanes and losing the 175’s. Are the upgrade times expected to go up or be shorter with the 11 airplane net gain?
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Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2984171)
First 175 leaves im March..
701EV |
Originally Posted by wmupilot85
(Post 2984120)
That would be a great tell me about this story. "I walked out because I couldn't get the E175!!! Now if I'm hired here, I'll walk out if I don't get the 787."
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Don’t forget that there are still 19 options left on the table left over from that Mesa deal. Reading their forums it appears that they are wondering how they’ll staff the new aircraft. Republic seems to be concerned about staffing too. This is going to get interesting as we move forward
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Originally Posted by Flydafe
(Post 2984314)
Don’t forget that there are still 19 options left on the table left over from that Mesa deal. Reading their forums it appears that they are wondering how they’ll staff the new aircraft. Republic seems to be concerned about staffing too. This is going to get interesting as we move forward
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Originally Posted by Melit
(Post 2984737)
those 19 options don’t even come into play. A lot more has to happen to make them FIRM orders. Where does Republic come into play in all this?
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Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2983262)
It’s not a public process and you know that. But that’s how this game is played.
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Originally Posted by Flydafe
(Post 2984789)
just pointing out staffing frames is a concern to them too. The big the regionals fly for all three majors. If another expansion comes their way the crunch will be on staffing
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