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Originally Posted by XJTFO (Post 3044593)

Mesa's pay is drastically lower. $4 per hour x 1000 = $4,000
$2500 x4 - $10,000

$14,000 per year less is a lot of money. As a new hire on the 175 at XJT I was having no problem crediting 110-120 hours per month with a little extra effort and some ROE pick ups. Work rules/hotels at XJT are better. As far as pilot skill, all is the same. I have flown with some of the most wonderful captains at XJT and a very small handful of real pieces of garbage. Nasty attitudes Either way Mesa has a great pilot group and their company has offered tremendous stability but the cost is pay. Upgrade times at XJT before this whole mess started had dropped to nada on the 145 and only a few years on the 175.

I used to poo poo these arguments saying FO pay is irrelevant. Where you want to look when choosing a regional is 3 year CA pay because everybody was upgrading relatively quickly. That is where the money was made, not at year 1 or 2 FO. Well, not anymore. People are going to be FOs for a long time again it looks like. FO pay is once again relevant when choosing a regional because that is what you will be making for your first 4 to 6 years.

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Originally Posted by avi8tor614 (Post 3044163)

Bravo, I think it's hard for other airlines pilots to see that we are hurting but in a better position right now. We are considered the bottom of the barrel for whatever odd reason, but yet internally we are pushing forward with certainty, unlike other regionals who are supposed to be superior.
They don't get our emails indicating we are just fine, bruised but fine. I'm sure I'll get the hate speech: No degree, washout, or some other negative response that is not true because I chose Mesa. I looked at XJT and Endeavor both were higher paying jobs at the time, reserve was in my future at both companies till I died. I chose Mesa because I got a line immediately and the culture was awesome. XJT commute and Jumpseat on my flights all the time. They are always welcome here, I like them. We shoot the sheeeet and talk about how bad our companies are. If Mesa goes under and they are around I would hope they would have me. I know most of pilot group would welcome them as well.
I think we both will be here. I know we both will be different after this clears up.

How good is your position going forward if UAL takes back the 175s they own?

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Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3045177)

How good is your position going forward if UAL takes back the 175s they own?

Hey man, UA management could take their toys and flying back at any moment. I don't disagree with this argument. I do understand that Mesa just signed an agreement with United for the next 8 years I believe. So a breach in contract would be pretty expensive to UA management. They could and might opt for this option I don't know. UA management sole purpose is to run a business and make money to be profitable do we agree here?
Now to what you posted that header says what: "Air Line Pilots Association, International" These group of people do what. They are the Union that represents a wonderful pilot group that work under UA management. Their purpose; to negotiate wages, work rules, and job protections. They have NO SAY in where aircraft go when it comes to FFD companies. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing trying to protect their work group. I am onboard with that.
Now back to UA management. It will cost a lot of money to train and pay UA mainline pilots to fly the beloved E-175 plus it will cost them a fortune to breach the contracts with their respected sharecode partners. Now it could happen, who knows. If you were a business man. What would you do? Work with the Union and try to get jobs back to your employees knowing it will cost you big time, OR keep the cheap labor around that represents your brand and produces the desired outcome which is make money and be profitable. I expect their union to come up with all types of ideas that's what they are paid to do. I look at the endgame. UA management runs this show and my job, your job and the beloved union's job rest in UA managements hands.
My position as of right now? I'm betting on management saving money and as much as no mainliner wants to hear this. It's always about profits in the endgame not about whose jobs gets saved or who flies what. UA management does not care who flies what. They care about money, profits, shareholders, ect. They don't care who flies the 175 with their logo on the side. The unions want you to think that UA management cares, they don't. Those are union deceptions, mine included.

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Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3045177)

How good is your position going forward if UAL takes back the 175s they own?

Did you invent a time machine?

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Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 3043970)

Yeah yeah yeah. I think you may be surprised one day that......well you’ll see.

Just curious. How much do you think Mesa is bleeding (just like every other airline) each day?

Its bleeding.

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Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3044054)

Mesa also flys for AA... XJT is only UA now.....

Until January.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad (Post 3045256)

Did you invent a time machine?

exactly. Any hope of regional jets going back to mainline is just a fantasy. That ship sailed long ago. But kudos to the union for trying, as a previous poster said, that’s their job.

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Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3045269)

Until January.

Highly doubtful. AA owns 20% stock in Mesa. It would cost them Millions to walk away.

At the current market cap, that would be $30.27 million roughly.

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Originally Posted by point80 (Post 3045526)

Highly doubtful. AA owns 20% stock in Mesa. It would cost them Millions to walk away.

At the current market cap, that would be $30.27 million roughly.

Ha! The legacy carriers are losing about $100 million per day. So that is about 7 hours worth of losses right now.

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Originally Posted by CPPfacts (Post 3045532)

Ha! The legacy carriers are losing about $100 million per day. So that is about 7 hours worth of losses right now.

Cutting expenses and losing a capital investment are two different things. The stock is tied to the contract. And by your logic UA should dismantle xjt. Not saying they should but that is your logic in your statement.

Now whats being said in Mesa management is that AA is renewing the contract but Mesa can expect a fleet reduction of 3-5 planes.