Max Exodus
 

After the 175's gone and pilots punching out to other carriers, where will XJT get pilots to staff those ancient 145s?
Unless if United already knows that there will be an economic downturn with the virus and max issues.

Not sure why any current 145 pilot would feel the need to get up and leave right away. Also a lot of the 175 staff, FO side at least, are relative new hires that would owe back some bonus money if they left.

Absolutely hilarious move by ExpressJet/United/Mana to lure in new hires with the expectation of flying the 175, only to pull the plug a year later knowing that said new hires can’t leave unless they pay back the bonus.

Y’all got PLAYED hard.

Bait and Switch tactics!

A new hire shouldn't care about the airframe. Take whatever airframe will get you your time so you can move on. Heck, if anything the -145 has an advantage as its the same type as the Legacy.
For new hires who got the -175 this will be a good thing. They get another type rating out of the deal. That looks good on an application.

Yep, I’m sure they look at it that way. Bet 50% leave up and leave.

exactly. When the xjet newbie, and kcavaitor’s apps get to a major, guess which one looks better?

good response. No one got played. They are still getting paid, getting a second type rating, and getting more hours and less reserve than any other regional. Get in, get out.

Max Exodus
 

When you leaving? Your obviously not happy here since your Aviate plans fell through.


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Said it multiple times, if and when EWR is announced as closing and no IAD base or similar.

It looks like the are preparing for it. They pulled their investor guidance yesterday. The MAX/ CV is making a pretty strong short term punch.

https://www.thestreet.com/.amp/inves...nings-guidance



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They need to look long term and play accordingly. Each person's situation is different, but shifting regional airlines just to stay on a shiny new jet as an FO would be foolish.
Checking another type rating on an app is a plus.
Getting turbine time, MEL land time and TPIC time is a plus on an app.
I don't remember seeing a box on any application that said "Shiny new jet time".

Millennials are not the same as Boomers. They can and will leave to build time on a shiny new jet. These aren’t the old days where you got a job and stayed 25 years waiting on your one shot.

I am NOT suggesting someone stay 25 years waiting on one shot. I think they need to view themselves as independent contractors. The best way to make themselves marketable as a pilot is not by giving up seniority to log shiny new jet time. It's by logging TPIC, turbine, and getting additional type ratings. Now if they can move laterally to get a faster upgrade or DEC, that might be different.

Get whatever 121 PIC seems to the threshold at the time asap (it's about 2000 hours right now). Then if you're not getting called, you can re-evaluate, look at LCC, ACMI, whatever.

But I think a lot of folks will be getting called over the next few years, and a little economic slowdown won't change that.

Exactly. Going somewhere just so you can stay in the right seat of a shiny new -175 is very short-sighted.

No, staying at a company in a downward spiral is short sighted. The fact of life is most people aren’t going to spent the next 2-5 years in the current environment working for a failing company when everyone else is hiring for more pay and newer equipment.

Perhaps if you're planning on being a lifer. But if you're looking at trying to move on as quickly as possible it's best to take a step back and view the situation without emotion. For most, staying will probably get them the most turbine time and a fast upgrade to the TPIC they need so they can actually move on in 2-5 years. Chasing newer equipment is a fool's errand. No one but you will care that you flew a -175.
It's business. Being bitter about every downturn and bump in the road will just burn you up in this industry. Think about your long term goals, then objectively lay out a path to get there. When something like this happens try to see how it affects your long term plans. Adjust accordingly based upon those goals, not the emotion of the moment. If your long term goal is to make it to one of the big 5 moving just so you can stay in the right seat of a -175 is not a step forward.
Control those things you can control.

it’s a different time. If they are young with 121 time they will look attractive to bigger airlines because they have them for a longer duration of time career wise. Pilots are in short supply worldwide. If xjt can’t get the pay rates up folk will walk to higher pay rates. I enjoy being here and got the upgrade so the struggle as tough as before but for a new hire what will keep them interested on coming here?

Where do you think all those lifers on the 175 will be going? IAH and ORD. Better hope for an upgrade in DEN. That severely limits a lot of us on the East coast.

You seem to oversimplify the severity of losing these 175’s and the subsequent base closures. To me, a Commutair merge is about the only thing left to do.

Sorting through all the ripples will take a year plus alone. Many junior reserves FO’s on the 175 have barely flown since they’ve been on deep reserve. By the time they go back to training and get through that it’s almost a year with very little flying and nothing to really show for it.

United and ExpressJet need to secure their feed and come up with something more material than they currently have.

you just made me shiver a little thinking about the back flow of captains on the 175 that will have to hit the system again. I hope those planes come. I don’t want to be downgraded out of the left seat

i think someone mentioned this already but United has slowed down hiring due to the Max and the virus ordeal. Now looking at the article they are losing money. This move to rescue TSA’s flying is serious. I bet we’ll see some attractive gains in negotiations. My only caution to the group is to never ever sign a contract based on promises

I think many of those -175 lifers may finally move on or retire.
You bring up valid concerns. But again, my advice is the same. Keep the long term objective in site and make any move based upon checking boxes to get there. Don’t get bogged down by things outside the lanes of your goal such as “this place is a dumpster fire”, or even worse, wanting to fly a shinier, newer jet. If it appears that by sticking around you will be on reserve for a while and not flying then sure, look at other options. But weigh that against starting over again somewhere else and going through a new hire pipeline.
The way you will know you made the right decisions is when you retire and get to look back at them.

Damage control? Try that sales pitch at a recruiting event with Republic, Mesa and SKYW present and they will laugh you out the door.

Actually, you’re pretty funny. I’ve been gone from XJT for some years now. I’m not trying to get people to stay. I’m trying to help people move on. You might want to listen more.
I have no interest in anyone staying at XJT. I’ve encouraged some to go to different regionals and others to move on. But they need to do so for rational reasons, to advance their career or make an upward move. Not spur of the moment because they are ****ed at their company and the world or because they want to fly a -175 instead of a crummy -145.
Get back on your meds and calm down. You’ll have a heart attack before you hit retirement age with your bitterness and anger.

Projecting your emotions on others much?

Honestly, his posts were fairly positive up until the news release yesterday. He’s just calling things for what they are....

One of the main draws from management was “get an immediate class date and a line soon thereafter”. Many new hires knew we lagged behind in pay, career progression and newer fleet but the idea of getting multi engine turbine time and a schedule brought them in.

Clearly with all the training backlog and senior pilots moving into the 145 from the 175 that won’t happen as advertised. Simple as that.

I truly hope management has a plan that will offset this negative news. More old planes alone won’t do it.

These two things appear to be contradictory...

United is hurting from the virus blockade in Asia. They are losing money but they still need their regional feed to be strong here in the United States. The virus situation hopefully is not permanent and they’ll get that flying back up. Trans states is permanent and they need the feed and bodies to staff these additional aircraft. They have to pay more. Xjt is offering around 40K to qualified captain new hires now. Let’s see what else happens for the existing pilot group

Actually, I don’t have much emotion about it. I mean I feel for those affected. But some of you are acting like this is the first time something like this has happened at XJT/ASA. Look at many of the SkyWest airframes. They are AS and EV tail numbers. There is even the ND tail number. That one was tough to see. Guess where they came from? Bases closed. Flying was lost. It sucked. But it did force me and many others to stop being lazy. Some FOs I knew made lateral moves and it was the right decision. I thought long and hard about a DEC position elsewhere. Thankfully, I didn’t take it as I wouldn’t be where I am now if I had and might still be stuck at a regional.
Pilots at XJT have to take a rational, unemotional look at their options and figure which will probably advance their careers the fastest. For some a lateral move might be best. But don’t make that move based upon the type of jet you will fly. Again, no one but you cares about that. Look long term and make your decision based upon your long term goals.

Its going to be a hard sell for our new hires with just a single E175 type not to make a lateral move with the same upgrade times at competitors than to go back to training again for a new airplane.

what is DEC?

Decatur, IL

Direct entry captain LOL

This. I really wanted that Decatur, IL base.

I understand. But they need to take the unemotional long-view look at which will advance their career the fastest. Remember, TPIC, turbine time/MEL, additional types. In that order. Successful training on another type looks good. Also, try to get a feel for what some of those senior pilots are doing. Will this clean up the top of the list? I have no idea, but I saw some senior CRJ-700/900 pilots who moved on rather than taking the ERJ. Get a feel for that.
But yeah, balance that with being stuck on an airframe being wound down. If you can move to the -145 immediately... might be a good move to stay. If you're stuck in the right seat of a -175 until the keys to the last one are handed over to SkyWest and only flying every other month it might be time to move on.

Thank you all for the meaning of DEC. XJT just announced at 40k bonus for dec new hires.

Some will definitely make that call. Hopefully they haven’t already spent the bonus

For those TSA pilots affected by this it makes a lot of sense. DEN base on the same airplane. Don’t expect ORD, EWR or IAH.

That'll be good for those of you who don't make that call. That will make that many fewer viable candidates for a legacy job.

"I didn't want to go through training again, so I left for somewhere that I'd have to go through training again."

Getting another type is a good thing.

Also, good like finding another regional where you can get 19+ days off per month every month once you're a line holder.

Just adding a little balance. Those who are ignorant about how to bid and adjust their schedule will call me wrong, and the new hires who don't will probably want to leave.