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JoeyMeatballs 06-20-2009 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 632418)
Where would an XJT thread be without ToiletDuck? :rolleyes:

seriously.........................

flyguy23 06-20-2009 05:19 PM

Oh the hypocrisy. United (or any other major carrier) will not be looking for another long term 50 seat contract carrier. It would most certainly be 70+. Now you see expressjet guys hoping their company is able to underbid everyone else. Where is the pride guys? You're now hoping to become the "cheap" labor? Gotta love it.

Btw, where has anyone heard United is unhappy with skywest or rah? A BK may or may not affect those companies, I don't know. Personally, I think a BK would result in additional regional flying up for grabs as opposed to the redistribution of the current contracts.

XSive 06-20-2009 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 632427)
Oh the hypocrisy. United (or any other major carrier) will not be looking for another long term 50 seat contract carrier. It would most certainly be 70+. Now you see expressjet guys hoping their company is able to underbid everyone else. Where is the pride guys? You're now hoping to become the "cheap" labor? Gotta love it.

Btw, where has anyone heard United is unhappy with skywest or rah? A BK may or may not affect those companies, I don't know. Personally, I think a BK would result in additional regional flying up for grabs as opposed to the redistribution of the current contracts.


XJT pilots aren't trying to undercut anyone......:rolleyes:

JetBlast77 06-20-2009 05:33 PM

Do you guys seriously think whats left of UALs scope allows for unlimited 70+ seaters? Why does everyone assume 50 seat markets are going away? There may be less of them but they are still there. I just don't get why United would bring XJT on this summer for "overcapacity" when they have been cutting routes left and right. There has to be something else going on. Then again, what do I know.

dojetdriver 06-20-2009 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 632427)
Oh the hypocrisy. United (or any other major carrier) will not be looking for another long term 50 seat contract carrier.

More than likely true


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 632427)
It would most certainly be 70+.

Very possible.


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 632427)
Now you see expressjet guys hoping their company is able to underbid everyone else.

This is NOT true. First, not EVERYBODY at XJT wants it. Second, if the company does "under bid", is that lower bid based on cheap labor? Do we really need to go round after endless round about the concession at XJT and the rates that are STILL higher than most others and the work rules DIDN'T suffer?


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 632427)
Where is the pride guys? You're now hoping to become the "cheap" labor? Gotta love it.

See above. You are obviously ignorant of what happened when XJT took a concession. It happened because CAL squeezed them into to a a corner, and to hold onto LESS flying than what they previously had. It wasn't an attempt to be cheaper and undercut another pilot group. Please, try to prove me wrong on this point.


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 632427)
Btw, where has anyone heard United is unhappy with skywest or rah?

If you have been paying attention to the other times this has happened, how "happy" the legacy was with the regional vendors had NOTHING to do with it. What made the legacy "happy" was getting the cost down. Being in BK or not.


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 632427)
A BK may or may not affect those companies, I don't know. Personally, I think a BK would result in additional regional flying up for grabs as opposed to the redistribution of the current contracts.

Well, thats what we're talking about here, isn't it?

Slaphappy 06-20-2009 05:53 PM

XJT is a dying airline just like Comair.

xtreme 06-20-2009 05:56 PM

Did everybody forget about Gojets? they are getting planes as fast as bombardier can produce them at this point. Who is to say United won't dump RAH and SKW to put more Gojets planes in. I'm sorry but RAH will be tasting it's own medicine really really soon.

As far as expressjet, hope you guys get out of this soon, get some new flying, and start calling back. It's sad to see one of the last few remaining regionals with a decent contract struggling like this.

dojetdriver 06-20-2009 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 632442)
XJT is a dying airline just like Comair.

XJT took a pretty good kick to the deli package lately.

But please, with all your knowledge of this industry, please expand on your points? While you're at it, any chance you could tell us where you got your crystal ball, because I'd like to get that model myself.

And since that thing is so good, what's it say is going to happen in the next 6 1/2 years for XJT?

cybourg10 06-20-2009 06:22 PM

Every check airman and or union rep I have talked to said they do not expect more furloughs this fall. We will have more COLAs and plenty of RFLs in Sep and Oct but we may need every one for next spring/summer and a 6 month furlough doesn't help anyone. Remember last October and how we barely had any lines? The company also turned down the union's early out offer saying it doesn't make financial sense right now, we see that as a sign that no staffing changes are needed. Knock on wood.......

CaptainNameless 06-20-2009 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 632442)
XJT is a dying airline just like Comair.

But we are dying much more slowly (a 7 year slow-death profitless CPA with 6 years to go!) whoo hooo! Just hope we can get a few more profitless CPAs. Nothing like being essentially a public utility for the majors.


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